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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 14:21
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Throwing a wide body plank around a circling approach in mountainous terrain is every bit as exciting as SP ME heavy helicopter slinging at night. Without taking inflation into account, 22 times the pay so you can buy your own helicopter. So it’s worth a thought but I’d admit I’d accept a huge pay drop to be an SAR P2 out of Lee or Portland.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 15:39
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It would have to be Lee as Portland closed for Coastguard ops a while back.
If the opportunity came up would you really take a big pay cut from FW?

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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 16:56
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Sorry did you just say 22 times the pay?
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 17:13
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I’ve taken a pay cut to go part time FW and would love a RW part time P2 slot. SAR would be even better.
Im lucky tho kids grown up top ( ish) of FW tree nice pension pot.
Ive always been mindful of taking food off the table of those on the way up.
I can with 20/20 hindsight see the pros and cons of onshore / offshore RW and FW.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 19:20
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... sorry again did you say 22 times the pay!? I make that to be nearly £2 million a year. Where do I sign, I’m definitely going plank 😆😆
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Yes come on tell us how much your take home is !
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 20:51
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Yes come on tell us how much your take home is !
He works for Turkish Airlines and is paid in Lira
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 21:00
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Its easy to check, junior officer 33 years ago versus top pay scale in an airline. Some not me play the system when the airline is short of crews and increase their pay by 50% and many gain tax breaks by living out of the U.K.
The point I’m making bearing in mind the thread is about the state of the industry and someone compared it to FW is that
there are pros and cons in both markets but it’s easy to say FW is boring and RW is exciting in your early 20s but the picture may look v different in your mid 50s.
I cant however imagine coming out of L3 with a frozen ATPL joining EZY and spending 40 years there. Horses for courses.
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Turkish is not the place to go according to other forums here.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 21:02
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Even taken 50% extra etc, you still aren't getting 22 times, or circa 2 mil.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 21:10
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2 million divided by 22=?
Not sure the defence budget would stand that.
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 18:39
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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...utm_content=V1

Found this article about our friends over in Canada, another page on the same site also said that there are some companies in Canada who have helicopters parked up already due to a shortage of crews to fly them - anyone currently in Canada or with knowledge care to comment?
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 23:29
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Non type rated pilots are still being employed, and type rated in Off Shore, Australia.
A good sign.
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 23:31
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Yeah.
Me��*♂️ We’re busy......
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Originally Posted by Twist & Shout
Non type rated pilots are still being employed, and type rated in Off Shore, Australia.
A good sign.
That is indeed good to hear. What company if you don't mind me asking? Or a PM would be appreciated
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Originally Posted by Lude-og
That is indeed good to hear. What company if you don't mind me asking? Or a PM would be appreciated
I don’t want to go into it in too much detail. There is not, as far as I know a position available right now.
The pilot in the Simulator last week, for a type rating, informed me he had responded to an advertisement.

My intention was to provide an update on the “State of the Industry”, in OZ Off-Shore.

(PM on the way)
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Originally Posted by Lude-og
That is indeed good to hear. What company if you don't mind me asking? Or a PM would be appreciated
Yes I'd also be interested to hear which company. CHC and Bristow have both been making forced and voluntary redundancies this year and AFAIK haven't hired any new offshore pilots in the last year or two. There are still plenty of unemployed and highly qualified ex-Bristow pilots waiting to fill offshore vacancies. A few have gone to Esso/HNZ but they were already type rated.
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Originally Posted by Mark Six
Yes I'd also be interested to hear which company. CHC and Bristow have both been making forced and voluntary redundancies this year and AFAIK haven't hired any new offshore pilots in the last year or two. There are still plenty of unemployed and highly qualified ex-Bristow pilots waiting to fill offshore vacancies. A few have gone to Esso/HNZ but they were already type rated.
I believe a few ex Bristow guys went to Babcock a while ago, (approximately 6 months ago?) and received S92 type ratings.
Babcock are also running AW139s out of Barrow island.....

Bristow Australia are, very unfortunately, letting experienced long time pilots go. It’s very bad in that camp right now.

CHC Australia have made no forced redundancies, and denied a large number of voluntary redundancy applications. Several pilots have resigned recently (no redundancy). Another positive sign that the industry is picking up.

Oil i$ up. More work is projected.. The current pilot work force is aging. No one is “coming up”. Some of the smarter, younger guys, who should be the “future” are changing to Fixed Wing. It’s basically the perfect storm for an Experienced Off Shore Pilot shortage.
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Originally Posted by Twist & Shout


I believe a few ex Bristow guys went to Babcock a while ago, (approximately 6 months ago?) and received S92 type ratings.
Babcock are also running AW139s out of Barrow island.....

Bristow Australia are, very unfortunately, letting experienced long time pilots go. It’s very bad in that camp right now.

CHC Australia have made no forced redundancies, and denied a large number of voluntary redundancy applications. Several pilots have resigned recently (no redundancy). Another positive sign that the industry is picking up.

Oil i$ up. More work is projected.. The current pilot work force is aging. No one is “coming up”. Some of the smarter, younger guys, who should be the “future” are changing to Fixed Wing. It’s basically the perfect storm for an Experienced Off Shore Pilot shortage.
Very likely scenario, but nobody wants to invest in the future. No operators will care unless you bring your own TR and IR, so it's a lost cause for 'younger guys'.

Looking at the bigger picture, airline flying isn't that dissimilar to offshore flying, you just have better progression and security with FW. Why wait for the fabled resurgence of O&G when you could be out of work within 6 months of starting, all whilst having zero other options when it does?
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99
Err, yes, If... you have an S92, AW139, AW189 or EC175 type rating.

If you don't, get to the back of a very long queue (here in the UK)
You read my post right?
1. Australia
2. Pilots are being given type ratings. S92, and AW139 that I’m aware of.
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