AW 139 flight simulator rates

[outhouse]

Yes it was but the approval status was acceptable with EASA. The night qualification was a issue with EASA until the windscreens were fitted, no idea what the situation is since I left but understand its still operating OK.

[212man]

The Rotary and/or Business Jet training business has been very cleverly turned into a closed shop by CAE and FSI (and now Textron) by getting sole source agreements with the airframe OEMs for the data making other TDMs unable to build competitive platforms.

Actually, CAE also obtain their own data from airframes when they can't source it from the OEMs - case in point being the S92.

[outhouse]

True 212 man, we had to do a series of data gathering test flights and then prove the data was accurate against the sim performance SW. Then some tweaking to accurately mimic the performance and handling characteristics to satisfy the EASA needs for certification. As I remember one of the areas needing attention was low speed and ground handling (running landings). A interesting time I seem to recall. Still the memory may well be fogged with the passing years.

[212man]

That device was made by Cuesim, of course. Frasca also gathered their own data for the S92, EC225 and S76c++.......

[outhouse]

Yes it was, Frasca has done good work getting data as you say, Trying to design and build a sim without the manufactures data available is not a task I would try again, to many sleepless nights until final approval chit was signed.

[SimFlightTest]

The CAE S92 actually uses Frasca flight test data.

[212man]

The CAE S92 actually uses Frasca flight test data.

Really? I thought the data was acquired using a CHC machine (Frasca's was acquired with BHL).

[SimFlightTest]

My understanding is that supplemental S92 data might have been collected by CAE on some other operator's machine, but the bulk of the data used by CAE comes from the data Frasca collected from BHL's machine.

[outhouse]

Hi all,
As one who was responsible for the collection and validity of data collected. The main problem was availability of air frames and the fitment of the data collecting equipment. Also ensuring valid and consistent results.
The main problem was getting the results accepted by required authority and verified. Approval of the various profiles that required confirmation re actual helicopter performance against actual flight performance was not a simple task.
Will stop now as the technical **** is tedious and not interesting to some. as i am retired and may be in need some stimulation bell me on PM if interested on any further info.

[namesiw]

Hello to all of you.
Who knows how much for a Type R. on AW139 (less price) plus IR?
And how much for AW109 + IR?
And where?
I have twin engine and IR current.
I have to decide to do one of those but in Italy they ask a lot of money.
Thank you.