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Bristow S76 Ditched in Nigeria today Feb 3 2016

Old 4th Mar 2016, 15:33
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first time i ever ran out of popcorn!!!
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 15:37
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Hmmmm, callipers out again. Funny how all that BS doesn't make them better pilots when they move into the real world! Looking at my (ex) circle of colleagues who are training captains, it is funny how most are civvy trained, whilst so many mil trained pilots languish as line pilots.
Hmmm - time in the company perhaps since that is how it is done in the civvy world apparently - it's not down to how good or suited you are, just that you are next in line - great system

Perhaps you are guilty of seeing the helicopter world through that very small prism of NS offshore ops and making your judgements about pilot skills in a pretty undemanding role.
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 15:42
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Not quite next in line. It's more next in line, if your face fits, and they think you're suitable. Oh and then passing a Command course, which, I know for a fact not everyone passes successfully first time. (Bristow)



Oh and getting back to the thread.....Anyone know what happened yet? The suspense is killing me!
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 16:37
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At least we have kept the crowd amused while we wait for real info on the S76
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 16:38
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Hmmm - time in the company perhaps since that is how it is done in the civvy world apparently - it's not down to how good or suited you are, just that you are next in line - great system

Perhaps you are guilty of seeing the helicopter world through that very small prism of NS offshore ops and making your judgements about pilot skills in a pretty undemanding role.
No, not time in the company. To get command, possibly. To get a TC role definitely not. You really have no idea what you are talking about. As usual. If it were time in the company we would have a lot of very old mil TCs, but we don't.

As to NS flying being undemanding, it is generally routine, I'll grant you. But a pilot's attributes and relevant skill set are nevertheless important, for example an ability to get on with your colleague who has to sit next to you for maybe 8 hours is more important than the ability to fly an ILS in a gale AP out with one hand, whilst using the other hand to measure your fellow pilot's attributes with callipers. So, if you interview anything like you post on here, you would have no hope of getting such a job. You just don't have the skills.
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 16:45
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Job Posting seen on a website:

Helicopter Pilot required

Skills required

Type rated and current on B212/412/S92/S61/S76/AW139/AW189
Balls the size of watermelons / Female pilot applications welcome but must have balls

Ability to use Vernier Calipers
10 experience in Offshore flying
10 years experience onshore HEMS flying
10 years experience onshore VIP flying
15 minutes SAR experience because thats all you need to be an ace
5 years Mil flying
NVG
Know when to keep quiet
Know when to pipe up
Enjoy the smell of rubber
Enjoy having the piss taken by management at every downturn

Have I missed anything?
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 16:51
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Toung in cheek or am I missing something

But a pilot's attributes and relevant skill set are nevertheless important, for example an ability to get on with your colleague who has to sit next to you for maybe 8 hours is more important than the ability to fly an ILS in a gale AP out with one hand
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 17:24
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Originally Posted by 500e
Toung in cheek or am I missing something

But a pilot's attributes and relevant skill set are nevertheless important, for example an ability to get on with your colleague who has to sit next to you for maybe 8 hours is more important than the ability to fly an ILS in a gale AP out with one hand


Helimutt - yup, I think you have everything covered.


500e in a MP environment on a modern highly automated aircraft, CRM/MCC is more important that some ball-clutching feat of heroic flying. The former is required day to day and failure to get that bit right causes a lot of problems and even accidents. The latter will never be needed except in the pilot's wet dreams. So give me the former every time. That's life in modern aviation. If you think it should be otherwise, get a job cattle mustering in a ropey piston heli with no hydraulic boost, it will suit you better.


I'm guessing you don't operate in a multi pilot airline-type role, otherwise you would understand.
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 17:48
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Oh.......HC, you keep pushing Crabs buttons!

I thought the key attribute of a NS pilot was his/her ability to consume their body weight in bacon rolls each month without dying.

God I miss those bacon rolls and a big shout out to the Clyde! Best breakys on the NS!

Also the ubiquitous "Millionaires Slice". Got to be lesson number one on offshore catering school course!

Let's talk more about food while we wait for something official bout the 76.

If we gonna thread creep lets go somewhere more interesting than testicles (steady HC), calliper so and the worn out Mil versus Civvy debate. Civvies suck anyway! I hated my mum and dad when I realised they were civvies!
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 17:52
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Anyone have info on which companies are now bidding, or "allowed" to bid?

I'm sure CHC would jump at it, but unsure if they've kissed enough rings to be given a fair chance after the train wreck with Aero.
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 18:51
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Oh.......HC, you keep pushing Crabs buttons!
Yes, but then they are EMORMOUS buttons. Allegedly.
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 18:55
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RyRy, don't ruin a perfectly good thread with factual information or questions. I still can't sleep.

One wonders if HC and Crab know each other personally and after a few beers in the pub, go home and are digitally at each others throat the rest of the night.

Torquestripe = most britmil aviators are pilots first (despite what some in the heirarchy pretend) and soldiers/sailors first.
Err, what?
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Old 4th Mar 2016, 19:27
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Originally Posted by Rotorbee
One wonders if HC and Crab know each other personally and after a few beers in the pub, go home and are digitally at each others throat the rest of the night.
No, I think I can safely say we have never shared a set of callipers.
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 07:46
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As to NS flying being undemanding, it is generally routine, I'll grant you. But a pilot's attributes and relevant skill set are nevertheless important, for example an ability to get on with your colleague who has to sit next to you for maybe 8 hours is more important than the ability to fly an ILS in a gale AP out with one hand, whilst using the other hand to measure your fellow pilot's attributes with callipers. So, if you interview anything like you post on here, you would have no hope of getting such a job. You just don't have the skills.
Whereas on a SAR flight you have to be able to enjoy your full crew's company for a 24-hour shift in close proximity as well as flying for hours day and night with them and persuading them that you have the skills to put their lives at risk in order to save the lives of others.

You won't have had to put brave and highly skilled friends over the side of your helicopter on a very thin piece of wire in horrendous weather to do their job whilst they are relying 100% on your 'redundant' flying skills to keep them from smashing into rocks/boats/cliffs/mountains. Oh and that might include flying a manual ILS to get back to the hospital

If you want to lecture someone about CRM I think SAR crews probably have forgotten more about it than you have ever experienced

Rotrbee - torquestripe was highlighting that he avoided the mil because he wanted to fly straight away rather than spending years on the ground first, but that is exactly what the mil do, less than a year of basic training and then straight into a cockpit.
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 16:11
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If you want to lecture someone about CRM I think SAR crews probably have forgotten more about it than you have
Maybe. But since in military jargon CRM is Calliperise Round Manbits I'm not sure I knew much about it in the first place.
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Give it rest., will you. Your're getting boring.
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 20:34
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No-one is making you read it
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 21:25
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No, but it is all in a thread devoted to something else.

Having to wade through pages of pi$$ing match while waiting for word on the real issue is tiresome. We have to look to see if the new post is at all relevant
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Old 5th Mar 2016, 23:45
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The Bristow S76 fleet is back flying again in Nigeria, they must have passed all the audits etc with flying colours. Also interesting to note they intend continuing with all their existing contracts.

What a relief, back to business as usual. It's like as if nothing happened.

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Old 6th Mar 2016, 00:25
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So I'm sure the veil of secrecy will be lifted any moment now, and we can finally know what actually happened.
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