Bristow S76 Ditched in Nigeria today Feb 3 2016
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It seems Bristow imagine that this will be forgotten as with other incidents they'd rather everyone forgot about if they fail to make any meaningful comment.
Maybe it's time we all dredged back into the recesses of our minds and started publicising all the 'forgotten' incidents and started asking questions on the many global social media sites until they actually say something other than human remains department gibberish
Maybe it's time we all dredged back into the recesses of our minds and started publicising all the 'forgotten' incidents and started asking questions on the many global social media sites until they actually say something other than human remains department gibberish
@tistisnot: Great, thanks for that reference. Does <100 PIC and 1000 PICUS qualify an applicant for an ATP in the ICAO world?
I just read the OGP Aircraft Management Guidelines; yep, it all seems to be covered there. 2000 total 1000 PIC, and the rest of it. Comes as a surprise. When I started out under the Exxon rules it was (from memory) 3500 PIC minimum for offshore Captain. Anyway, dilution to what it is now is what it is. Now I'm enlightened on the subject. Thanks.
I just read the OGP Aircraft Management Guidelines; yep, it all seems to be covered there. 2000 total 1000 PIC, and the rest of it. Comes as a surprise. When I started out under the Exxon rules it was (from memory) 3500 PIC minimum for offshore Captain. Anyway, dilution to what it is now is what it is. Now I'm enlightened on the subject. Thanks.
I recall one new chap who had about 5000 hrs SPVFR (yes 5 thousand) but he was one of the few people who was chopped from Aberdeen during line training.
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In the meantime let's call things by their proper name. What has happened with this S76 (and the one last august) is an ACCIDENT and not an incident as it has been called throughout this thread. Attached is the definition of aviation accident:
http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Accident
http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Accident
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In the meantime let's call things by their proper name. What has happened with this S76 (and the one last august) is an ACCIDENT and not an incident as it has been called throughout this thread. Attached is the definition of aviation accident:
http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Accident
http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Accident
The reason should be published, "why S76 series helicopters (Transport category certified helicopter) are coming suddenly unflyable". The is not new the issue for S76 series helicopters and this is not limited to Nigerian accidents.
In early times H-53 helicopters had similar accident scenarios and also lot H-53 were lost. Studying these accident reports together with S76 accident reports you are able to identify the root case.
The leading operators which have a lot this S76 series helicopters in daily operation "have own dog in fight" and the economical interests for existing fleet. This might be a reason for bypassing rational safety orientated decision making. Very sad!
what happens in reality in a company like BHL is that the up-coming P2 does lots of role playing training where he is acting as P1
'You fly it out and I'll fly it back-------unless I fall asleep in which case you're flying it back as well'
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The focus should be on the cause of the accidents not on the consequences. The fact is that too many accidents has already been happened for S76 series helicopters.
The reason should be published, "why S76 series helicopters (Transport category certified helicopter) are coming suddenly unflyable". The is not new the issue for S76 series helicopters and this is not limited to Nigerian accidents.
In early times H-53 helicopters had similar accident scenarios and also lot H-53 were lost. Studying these accident reports together with S76 accident reports you are able to identify the root case
The reason should be published, "why S76 series helicopters (Transport category certified helicopter) are coming suddenly unflyable". The is not new the issue for S76 series helicopters and this is not limited to Nigerian accidents.
In early times H-53 helicopters had similar accident scenarios and also lot H-53 were lost. Studying these accident reports together with S76 accident reports you are able to identify the root case
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Oh my lol.... was this recent? Haven't been in Malabo in ages, but some of the Nigerian rigs were getting very close. Inside of 10 miles from the Jade and the ZP of memory serves.
wrong rig...same company?
This happened many years ago with a 212.
The "other" rig was very close to the Calabar field.
Visibility was very poor and the other rig was the sister rig to the one they wanted to fly to, which was also nearby.
I think once on the deck the crew noticed the name....woops!
They discussed the mistake with the rig and departed after all were happy.
If I remember correctly the crew immediately notified Lagos BHL of the mistake.
The "other" rig was very close to the Calabar field.
Visibility was very poor and the other rig was the sister rig to the one they wanted to fly to, which was also nearby.
I think once on the deck the crew noticed the name....woops!
They discussed the mistake with the rig and departed after all were happy.
If I remember correctly the crew immediately notified Lagos BHL of the mistake.
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The fact is that we will never know the truth about this or any of the accidents happening with Bristow (or any other operator) here in Nigeria. The corrupt way that things are handled here just happens to be very convenient for Bristow (and Sikorsky) so that they can keep things quiet and their businesses going. If the facts ever came out, specially with regards to the fatal S76 accident last August 2015, both Bristow and Sikorsky would be sued for A LOT of money
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No it wasn't many years ago, the visibility wasn't very poor and the aircraft was a B412. I thought part of the finals checks in any company are to positively identify the landing area before landing and with 2 crew it's surely not rocket science
Were the Equatorial Guineans informed of an incursion into their territorial waters by an aircraft with no flight plan, no overflight clearance and no landing clearance?
Were the results ever published of the reasons for a Bristow AS332 landing on the wrong rig with a training captain in command?
Have the results ever been published of the PAAN Bell 412 which never returned from a night call-out (at a time when PAAN was part of Bristow?
This happened many years ago with a 212.
The "other" rig was very close to the Calabar field.
Visibility was very poor and the other rig was the sister rig to the one they wanted to fly to, which was also nearby.
I think once on the deck the crew noticed the name....woops!
They discussed the mistake with the rig and departed after all were happy.
If I remember correctly the crew immediately notified Lagos BHL of the mistake.
The "other" rig was very close to the Calabar field.
Visibility was very poor and the other rig was the sister rig to the one they wanted to fly to, which was also nearby.
I think once on the deck the crew noticed the name....woops!
They discussed the mistake with the rig and departed after all were happy.
If I remember correctly the crew immediately notified Lagos BHL of the mistake.
Were the Equatorial Guineans informed of an incursion into their territorial waters by an aircraft with no flight plan, no overflight clearance and no landing clearance?
Were the results ever published of the reasons for a Bristow AS332 landing on the wrong rig with a training captain in command?
Have the results ever been published of the PAAN Bell 412 which never returned from a night call-out (at a time when PAAN was part of Bristow?
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"Were the Equatorial Guineans informed of an incursion into their territorial waters by an aircraft with no flight plan, no overflight clearance and no landing clearance?"
Obiang probably shat himself thinking that Nigeria had attempted to commandeer the rig lol
Obiang probably shat himself thinking that Nigeria had attempted to commandeer the rig lol
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Totally true ! There is very little value in flying around in a straight line everyday . If BHNL really wanted to improve the quality of Nigerian commanders they would insist on several thousand hrs of turbine single engine command time! Hold on what about Escravos? What a perfect place to get every one who progresses into the 76 or larger the "pucker factor" experience they need, so they don't freak out when a Chanel craps the bed ! Might slow down the nationalization program a bit but it's about flight safety isn't it ?
They may even learn skills like hands on flying!! Wow would that be big! Odd how all these Nigerian commanders aren't leaving BHNL and doing aerial construction on the 64 or real helicopter work that requires a skill set. You can make more money after all!
Nothing to do with flight safety I'm afraid everything to do with
saving face me thinks!
This external audit business will in all likely hood be done by a Nigerian company - few paper envelopes for the boys and nothing will evolve.
Taking bets!
They may even learn skills like hands on flying!! Wow would that be big! Odd how all these Nigerian commanders aren't leaving BHNL and doing aerial construction on the 64 or real helicopter work that requires a skill set. You can make more money after all!
Nothing to do with flight safety I'm afraid everything to do with
saving face me thinks!
This external audit business will in all likely hood be done by a Nigerian company - few paper envelopes for the boys and nothing will evolve.
Taking bets!
Annex 13 is very clear on the reporting and investigation requirements of an operator and the State of registration.
They are only guidelines but any differences/non-compliances must be submitted to ICAO for dissemination.
I wonder when the last time a non-Nigerian ICAO audit was carried out?
They are only guidelines but any differences/non-compliances must be submitted to ICAO for dissemination.
I wonder when the last time a non-Nigerian ICAO audit was carried out?
If this was say a UK crew, and the sort of comments we are reading on here were in the UK press, there would be outrage on here along the lines of not speculating about the cause and blame for an accident before the proper story was known. But it seems that if you are Nigerian you are guilty by default on here.
Maybe there was crew error, maybe not, but at this stage we don't know so why not cut the crew a bit of slack as we would do if they were white?
Maybe there was crew error, maybe not, but at this stage we don't know so why not cut the crew a bit of slack as we would do if they were white?
