Lets talk drones
Chopjock
You know what I meant. Just looked at your profile---now I know why you are arguing. You do not have the same large fires in the UK as what we deal with out here. Come fly an unauthorized drone near a fire here and you WILL be arrested.
And wires can be somewhat predictable. We get updates from the power companies, and at least wires stay in one place.
You know what I meant. Just looked at your profile---now I know why you are arguing. You do not have the same large fires in the UK as what we deal with out here. Come fly an unauthorized drone near a fire here and you WILL be arrested.
And wires can be somewhat predictable. We get updates from the power companies, and at least wires stay in one place.
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why not rig up a Ec145, a R22, R44 for remote controlled flight and fly them in to a DJi and see what the results are, that way we will know for sure what the results will be.
- pay enough of these helis (at least you will need 4)
- pay the rigging for RC-flight of these
- pay for the testing and certification of this rigging (otherwise the are not allowed to get into air)
- pay the DJis
- plan and execute all the necessary test scenarios (impact from above, front, tail rotor, side)
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Why should the heli-industry bother?
There are rules in the airspace.
Every new participant has to obey to these rules. And they include aircraft certification and pilot certification.
Who are the "new kids on the block"? Guess what? The "multicopter guys".
If the like to play with others in the same airspace, well, easy: Get those rules into your brains!
As some others stated: I would definitely not want to be the first heli pilot getting to know how a "multicopter strike" feels like.
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Lets talk drones
Gordy
Here here my friend. Was on a fire few years ago out west turned into 167,000Ha fire. 100+rotary and Air Tanker groups. If you had a mile vis was luxury. It's a shame when values and properties burn because of some idiot launching a drone, when you work so hard to save them. It has happened this year in Canada. Everyone is on frequency, keeps us somewhat safe from running into each other, flying planned routes and altitudes. Be bit of a shocker to come head to head with a drone out of the smoke. Be safe Gordy, talk soon mate.
Like I said on an earlier post, I worked along side a professionally operated drone last month. Nearly impossible to see, especially if your head is out a longline window or in low vis.
Here here my friend. Was on a fire few years ago out west turned into 167,000Ha fire. 100+rotary and Air Tanker groups. If you had a mile vis was luxury. It's a shame when values and properties burn because of some idiot launching a drone, when you work so hard to save them. It has happened this year in Canada. Everyone is on frequency, keeps us somewhat safe from running into each other, flying planned routes and altitudes. Be bit of a shocker to come head to head with a drone out of the smoke. Be safe Gordy, talk soon mate.
Like I said on an earlier post, I worked along side a professionally operated drone last month. Nearly impossible to see, especially if your head is out a longline window or in low vis.
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To the drone supporters who somehow think that their new gear should be allowed unfettered access to protected airspace around disaster zones ...
Please understand that those of us who trust our flying machines enough to commit our own bottoms to being within them have the following task list, usually in ever-changing priorities:-
a) Keep our own machine flying and working the task.
b) Avoid running into other machines who are similarly occupied.
c) Battle the viz that Gordy describes, or the high winds and other met' extremes that probably caused the disaster in the first place.
d) Operate at very low levels while avoiding running into wires and all the other ground obstructions.
e) Sometimes control a long line with a bucket or a person suspended.
f) Give maximum spare attention (review the list above to see if you've got any!) to the ground scenario we are there to assist with.
g) SAVE LIVES.
If you want to help, go offer yourself and your equipment to the controller of the airspace. If he doesn't need you then retire gracefully.
If you ignore all that and still launch your shiny new toy into that airspace you are considerably adding to the task list above. Can you justify any possible reason why you should be allowed to do that?
Regardless of any laws or regulations an act of deliberately hindering life saving efforts is a moral CRIME and should be dealt with in that vein.
Drones may indeed have a positive role to play in many scenarios in years to come but as any new kid will tell you it's best to learn the rules, etiquette, morals and peer hierarchy before flexing your elbows in the playground. The alternative is a punch in the gob and eternal ejection from the playground.
BTW ... Hats off to all those who were airborne over New Orleans ten years ago today. The spirit of mutual respect and co-operation between consummate professionals saved many lives ... because we could TALK to each other.
Please understand that those of us who trust our flying machines enough to commit our own bottoms to being within them have the following task list, usually in ever-changing priorities:-
a) Keep our own machine flying and working the task.
b) Avoid running into other machines who are similarly occupied.
c) Battle the viz that Gordy describes, or the high winds and other met' extremes that probably caused the disaster in the first place.
d) Operate at very low levels while avoiding running into wires and all the other ground obstructions.
e) Sometimes control a long line with a bucket or a person suspended.
f) Give maximum spare attention (review the list above to see if you've got any!) to the ground scenario we are there to assist with.
g) SAVE LIVES.
If you want to help, go offer yourself and your equipment to the controller of the airspace. If he doesn't need you then retire gracefully.
If you ignore all that and still launch your shiny new toy into that airspace you are considerably adding to the task list above. Can you justify any possible reason why you should be allowed to do that?
Regardless of any laws or regulations an act of deliberately hindering life saving efforts is a moral CRIME and should be dealt with in that vein.
Drones may indeed have a positive role to play in many scenarios in years to come but as any new kid will tell you it's best to learn the rules, etiquette, morals and peer hierarchy before flexing your elbows in the playground. The alternative is a punch in the gob and eternal ejection from the playground.
BTW ... Hats off to all those who were airborne over New Orleans ten years ago today. The spirit of mutual respect and co-operation between consummate professionals saved many lives ... because we could TALK to each other.
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Obviously a drone should not be in the air when full size are around.
But, when all the choppers were grounded, what's the problem with flying a drone then?
So clearly a drone should not be a problem until full size arrive on scene, right?
So when was the drone first seen in the area, before or after the helicopters arrived?
I can just imagine it, some observer on the ground reports a drone and the fire control officer sounds the alarm before the helicopters even arrive and grounds them.
Hysteria like I said...
But, when all the choppers were grounded, what's the problem with flying a drone then?
So clearly a drone should not be a problem until full size arrive on scene, right?
So when was the drone first seen in the area, before or after the helicopters arrived?
I can just imagine it, some observer on the ground reports a drone and the fire control officer sounds the alarm before the helicopters even arrive and grounds them.
Hysteria like I said...
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Err Chopjock
The assets in the BC cases were in the air when drones arrived on all occasions, hence aircraft grounded because of drones. Do you fly fire? I do. Would you carry on with your mission with drones buzzing around, probably not. Or are you a drone 'pilot'?
The assets in the BC cases were in the air when drones arrived on all occasions, hence aircraft grounded because of drones. Do you fly fire? I do. Would you carry on with your mission with drones buzzing around, probably not. Or are you a drone 'pilot'?
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Or are you a drone 'pilot'?
Likewise if I am flying the full size, I expect any drone operators to keep out of our way as I know that they know we can not see them.
Its not just the fire ground where drones are causing problems. I was visiting Geisinger Life Flight in rural PA couple of weeks ago and they told me they nearly hit a drone at about 1000ft over rural PA on their way back from a call.
Its only a matter of time before one comes into contact with the other.
Its only a matter of time before one comes into contact with the other.
I did wonder why he thought he wouldnt get any. It was obviously going to attract negative comments. The only good thing about that video is that his drone gets trashed beyond repair. 
Sony releases new drone/aircraft platform
Take a look at the video...
Sony?s new camera drone flies like a plane with vertical takeoff | Technology | The Guardian
Now how about a scaled up 2 seater version?
Sony?s new camera drone flies like a plane with vertical takeoff | Technology | The Guardian
Now how about a scaled up 2 seater version?
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BBC has a interesting article on the use of tech to keep our sky clear
Can technology keep our skies safe from nuisance drones? - BBC News
fats
Can technology keep our skies safe from nuisance drones? - BBC News
fats
I don't think any of that technology will do anything to stop self-obsessed and selfish idiots, like the Swedish YouTuber, from buying a new toy and playing flying it with no forethought or regard for others, especially airspace users.
Ban the frickin' lot!
Ban the frickin' lot!
as a new user of drones, becoming licensed for aerial work, its like everything. Some people will abuse the priviledge, but those of us who have spent the money getting licensed, will be like those aoc holders watching the 'private' pilots do it cheaper without restrictions imposed like a commercial op.
The CAA are coming down hard on the people who take the p*ss, and so they should. There hasnt been a collision between a drone and aircraft yet in the UK that im aware of, and if everyone was sensible then it should never happen. Idiots like the youtuber will always exist. Unfortunately we cant selectively control the gene pool.
But rest assured Crab, there are those of us out there who are doing all we can to ensure our drones are flown safely, LOS and within our ops manuals limitations. Yes, you really do need an ops manual!
ps, not sure if youre aware but most new drones with gps functionality wont get airborne if they detect themselves in class A airspace (near airports etc) and you need a patch for the software.It's an inbuilt safety function, (easily overidden by covering gps aerial in tin foil!!!) Users should get permission from Air traffic or at the least, let them know what you're doing.
The CAA are coming down hard on the people who take the p*ss, and so they should. There hasnt been a collision between a drone and aircraft yet in the UK that im aware of, and if everyone was sensible then it should never happen. Idiots like the youtuber will always exist. Unfortunately we cant selectively control the gene pool.
But rest assured Crab, there are those of us out there who are doing all we can to ensure our drones are flown safely, LOS and within our ops manuals limitations. Yes, you really do need an ops manual!
ps, not sure if youre aware but most new drones with gps functionality wont get airborne if they detect themselves in class A airspace (near airports etc) and you need a patch for the software.It's an inbuilt safety function, (easily overidden by covering gps aerial in tin foil!!!) Users should get permission from Air traffic or at the least, let them know what you're doing.
I'm sure someone must have thought that when the motor car was invented
Helimutt - I work with a chap who is into his drones and very professional about it but he is an ex-mil pilot so that shouldn't be a surprise.
They can be operated safely by those who care but the majority really don't fall into that category and things like geofencing are easily bypassed, as you mention.
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First solutions at hand
Airbus offers first stationary solutions.
Airbus Defence
Now we will have to wait for mobile application to secure forest fires, HEMS sites, etc.
SLB
Airbus Defence
Now we will have to wait for mobile application to secure forest fires, HEMS sites, etc.
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voyeurs and oddballs Crab???
Just wait til they start painting the yellow?
To be honest large model helicopters have been flying for years but the thing is it took people years to learn how to fly them properly, and they needed clubs input and expertise to learn, that gave clubs time to ingrain a sense of responsibility and respect of self and others and the hobby. Drones on the other hand have so many gyros removing the need for developed skills any jack the lad with a £1000 can buy a fairly decent piece of equipment and fly it out of the box, convincing himself he is flying it, the latter group are to be found hanging around runways ends at heathrow and the like simply because they can flick a switch and need no other aid to fly the thing
Just wait til they start painting the yellow?
To be honest large model helicopters have been flying for years but the thing is it took people years to learn how to fly them properly, and they needed clubs input and expertise to learn, that gave clubs time to ingrain a sense of responsibility and respect of self and others and the hobby. Drones on the other hand have so many gyros removing the need for developed skills any jack the lad with a £1000 can buy a fairly decent piece of equipment and fly it out of the box, convincing himself he is flying it, the latter group are to be found hanging around runways ends at heathrow and the like simply because they can flick a switch and need no other aid to fly the thing
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