Helicopter Crash Longford
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What is it with Gazelles?
In this case it seems likely that while Insurers will likely be in a position to deny cover for the hull, they probably will have to cover (At least in the short term) the third party damage claim/s. Would anyone care to comment on why we see so much out and out nonsense with privately operated Gazelles, they seem often to be operated by those prone to pushing the limits, cuttting corners on maintenance and training etc etc - these guys, just like the other confined area 'mishap' near Salisbury a couple of years ago are lucky that there wasn't a significant fire- I don't think on this occasion though that the pilot will evade the strong arm of the law and as I started off- he is likely to be significantly out of pocket.
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I think the Gazelle is a lovely helicopter.
It's often referred to as the 'sportscar' of helicopters, with slightly tricky handling, that has caught out quite a few pilots.
But, like sportscars, maybe it also appeals to the more exhibitionist pilots who like to try and impress - with the unfortunate consequences.
Anyone can have an accident, but there must have been a dozen reasons not to have attempted that landing
It's often referred to as the 'sportscar' of helicopters, with slightly tricky handling, that has caught out quite a few pilots.
But, like sportscars, maybe it also appeals to the more exhibitionist pilots who like to try and impress - with the unfortunate consequences.
Anyone can have an accident, but there must have been a dozen reasons not to have attempted that landing
A lot of years ago I was out for check ride PplH with instructor. Bumbling along and he points at a large country house and says. " right pretend that's your mates house, show me how you would set up and land there. "
Now it was a confined area but not too small. So I did the usual high recce
And said how I would do it. " perfect he says, quite happy with that " BUT
" why not land in the Huge field across the road ! "
He had a point, which I always remembered.
R
Now it was a confined area but not too small. So I did the usual high recce
And said how I would do it. " perfect he says, quite happy with that " BUT
" why not land in the Huge field across the road ! "
He had a point, which I always remembered.
R
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Probably to do with the following resonably standard policy terms-
'The policyholder shall at all times use due diligence and do and concur in doing everything reasonably practicable to avoid or diminish any loss hereon'
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'The policyholder shall comply with all air navigation and airworthiness orders and requirements issued by any competent authority affecting the safe operation of the aircraft'
These terms or very close approximations of the same are most likely tucked away under the 'Conditions Precedent' of the Insurance policy and given the blatant and public nature of this accident it seems highly unlikely that any claim for the hull would or should be entertained- this might be different if the Assured party isn't flying the helicopter i.e he has loaned it to a friend but either way it's gonna be a stinker of a claim.
'The policyholder shall at all times use due diligence and do and concur in doing everything reasonably practicable to avoid or diminish any loss hereon'
or
'The policyholder shall comply with all air navigation and airworthiness orders and requirements issued by any competent authority affecting the safe operation of the aircraft'
These terms or very close approximations of the same are most likely tucked away under the 'Conditions Precedent' of the Insurance policy and given the blatant and public nature of this accident it seems highly unlikely that any claim for the hull would or should be entertained- this might be different if the Assured party isn't flying the helicopter i.e he has loaned it to a friend but either way it's gonna be a stinker of a claim.
I would be very pissed off if that **** was paid off and my premiums went up ........!!!! We can all make mistakes or have a moment of bad judgement but the idiot had been in once and pulled out .... To try again in a totally unsuitable spot was lunacy . I hope he is never allowed to fly again !
Helicopter Crash Longford
Maybe two idiots - Dualed up as pic on G- INFO shows - who was flying ? From an approach such as is shown it looks like training is required !
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Duals appear to have been fitted, as can be seen in Enda Farrell's pictures here;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/endafa...7653609390394/
and also
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/a...a_2416738a.jpg
The Sun
https://www.flickr.com/photos/endafa...7653609390394/
and also
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/a...a_2416738a.jpg
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And aren't we all perfect pilots!? Reference has been made to the previous owner and it has to be asked why? The previous owner was not involved in this incident. It makes me laugh that everybody has an opinion on anything caught on video without knowing the circumstances. If you've never had a bad landing, then you're a liar. This incident was not in the same category as to that previously described landing by the previous owner. What goes around, comes around, as they say.
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I can only speak for myself about us all being perfect pilots...so I won't, and I'm not. However, this isn't just a 'simple' unaware dynamic rollover or swinging the tail into an unseen bush. In my eyes this is a monumental lapse of judgement in even trying to land there. Only he'll know what he was thinking? 
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To answer mgsag - video with previous owner was posted at request of Rinker earlier in thread. Reference to the then owner being Scottish was intended to disconnect him from the previously mentioned wedding video flight in Northern Ireland or this unfortunate incident in Ireland.
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Good morning mgsag and welcome to PPRuNe,
So you know who the runner; sorry, the other person in the aircraft was?
So you know who the runner; sorry, the other person in the aircraft was?
The Longford crash is inexcusable - If there is not a jail term in that man's future (particularly considering he appears to have tried to leave the country afterwards) then there is something wrong with the law.
However... It does seem to me that it's a little unjust to post a video of the previous owner doing an (admittedly bad) landing. It links him, most unfairly, with the recent crash.
OH
However... It does seem to me that it's a little unjust to post a video of the previous owner doing an (admittedly bad) landing. It links him, most unfairly, with the recent crash.
OH
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If you are referring to the landing with the little old lady in, what the hell was wrong with that?!
Gazelles are low CofG with no stab. having just finished my CPL on a 355f1 I can assure you that that was nothing compared to my attempt...I am glad none of you were watching mine, I think I would have been hung drawn quartered, burnt at the stake, drowned and worst of all banned from the bar!
Gazelles are low CofG with no stab. having just finished my CPL on a 355f1 I can assure you that that was nothing compared to my attempt...I am glad none of you were watching mine, I think I would have been hung drawn quartered, burnt at the stake, drowned and worst of all banned from the bar!
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