Helicopter Crash Longford
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What would have been the legalities regarding transport of passengers in this particular a/c?
Being an ex-RAF machine rather than a civilian SA341G or J, wouldn't it have been operated under a Permit To Fly as opposed to a CofA?
Being an ex-RAF machine rather than a civilian SA341G or J, wouldn't it have been operated under a Permit To Fly as opposed to a CofA?
>Being an ex-RAF machine rather than a civilian SA341G or J, wouldn't it have been operated under a Permit To Fly as opposed to a CofA?<
From G-INFO:
EASA Category: NON EASA
Engines: 1 x TURBOMECA ASTAZOU IIIN2
MTOW: 1900kg
Total Hours: 9525 at 31/12/2013
Year Built: 1973
Approved Maint. Programme: None
CofA/Permit: Permit to Fly
Permit Validity Expiry: 04/08/2015
From G-INFO:
EASA Category: NON EASA
Engines: 1 x TURBOMECA ASTAZOU IIIN2
MTOW: 1900kg
Total Hours: 9525 at 31/12/2013
Year Built: 1973
Approved Maint. Programme: None
CofA/Permit: Permit to Fly
Permit Validity Expiry: 04/08/2015
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It's on a UK " permit to fly " so I'm wondering and concerned is such a machine legal to fly outside of the UK. I recently declined to purchase
a permit machine for this reason.
a permit machine for this reason.
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Crashed a vehicle and doing a runner, all sounds very familiar.
I hope this wasn't the result of a wager made in the bar earlier that afternoon
I hope this wasn't the result of a wager made in the bar earlier that afternoon
I believe they relaxed the passenger restriction on permit to fly aircraft
Only 3 pax allowed I think.
Not sure about outside UK or flight over water though
A number of years ago I flew a UK Reg Coa SA341 G Gazelle to Ireland
And I was questioned as to whether it was ex mil for that very reason which
Of course it wasn't.
So not sure about permit aircraft.
R
Only 3 pax allowed I think.
Not sure about outside UK or flight over water though
A number of years ago I flew a UK Reg Coa SA341 G Gazelle to Ireland
And I was questioned as to whether it was ex mil for that very reason which
Of course it wasn't.
So not sure about permit aircraft.
R
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Rinker, Yes regulation was changed so passengers did not have to be
classified as "crew" but I do believe UK Permit means UK Use.
As I mentioned I did not purchase one because my travels take me to Southern Ireland quite often.
classified as "crew" but I do believe UK Permit means UK Use.
As I mentioned I did not purchase one because my travels take me to Southern Ireland quite often.
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Limitations of use of a Permit to Fly aircraft
In recognition of the lack of compliance with some of the standards of airworthiness, the issue and continued validity of a Permit to Fly will reflect the limitations under which an aircraft is permitted to operate, and will normally be more restrictive than the operating conditions permitted in the case of a comparable aircraft operating on a Certificate of Airworthiness. The limitations are as follows:
a) Flights will normally be restricted to day Visual Flight Rules (VFR) only.
b) Limitations may be placed upon the numbers of persons permitted to be carried in the aircraft, either in general, or in specific operational circumstances.
c) Aircraft will be required to be placarded showing operating limitations and conditions.
d) Aircraft will normally be restricted to flights within UK airspace unless the prior agreement of the country in which the flights are to be made is obtained.
e) Aircraft will not normally be permitted to fly over congested areas.
In recognition of the lack of compliance with some of the standards of airworthiness, the issue and continued validity of a Permit to Fly will reflect the limitations under which an aircraft is permitted to operate, and will normally be more restrictive than the operating conditions permitted in the case of a comparable aircraft operating on a Certificate of Airworthiness. The limitations are as follows:
a) Flights will normally be restricted to day Visual Flight Rules (VFR) only.
b) Limitations may be placed upon the numbers of persons permitted to be carried in the aircraft, either in general, or in specific operational circumstances.
c) Aircraft will be required to be placarded showing operating limitations and conditions.
d) Aircraft will normally be restricted to flights within UK airspace unless the prior agreement of the country in which the flights are to be made is obtained.
e) Aircraft will not normally be permitted to fly over congested areas.
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Similar to the bettystown crash a few years ago if anyone remembers?
This is what drives up insurance premiums and gives the industry a bad name .
Abbeyshrule being so near why land there,its time for prison sentences to be introduced for this type of behaviour.
This is what drives up insurance premiums and gives the industry a bad name .
Abbeyshrule being so near why land there,its time for prison sentences to be introduced for this type of behaviour.
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I *think* with a Permit to Fly that you can get the CAA to write permission to fly outside of the UK into the permit. But you need to gain explicit permission from the other country on a flight-by-flight basis.
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Excuse me, but is he mad trying to put it down there? Even see-sawing/balancing on the edge with the tail out it would have been mad close. Mental case.
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In regards to Passengers.. The one involved here is himself a stunt pilot. You can likely imagine how the cockpit conversation went down.
Longford helicopter survivor cheats death for SECOND time after chopper crashes into pub - Irish Mirror Online
Longford helicopter survivor cheats death for SECOND time after chopper crashes into pub - Irish Mirror Online
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Other developments this morning, alleged pilot arrested.
Helicopter crash pilot arrested at airport as he tried to leave country is released - Independent.ie
Helicopter crash pilot arrested at airport as he tried to leave country is released - Independent.ie
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As a professional pilot, I'm often required to obtain written CAA Permissions to be exempt from the 1,000 foot rule to land in congested areas. These permissions always mandate "no closer than twenty metres from the nearest person, vehicle, or structure". The reasons should be obvious.
I wonder what permission this helicopter was being operated under?
I wonder what permission this helicopter was being operated under?
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Having now seen the video, that was madness beyond belief, and remarkable that no one was killed.
I hope the full force of the law is applied. That kind of mindless stupidity does us no favours whatsoever
I hope the full force of the law is applied. That kind of mindless stupidity does us no favours whatsoever
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Here's another poor landing in G-BXTH, executed by its then-owner. I think he was a Scottish rally driver and had previously survived a power line strike in another ex-military 341.
https://vimeo.com/66741258
https://vimeo.com/66741258
