Can I hour build with a commercial company but not get paid with a PPL H
I would suggest you read EASA Part-FCL - specifically FCL.720.H(c):
"(c) Single-pilot multi-engine helicopters. An applicant for the issue of a first type rating for a single-pilot multi-engine helicopter shall:
(1) before starting flight training:
(i) have passed the ATPL(H) theoretical knowledge examinations; or
(ii) hold a certificate of completion of a pre-entry course conducted by an ATO. The course shall cover the following subjects of the ATPL(H) theoretical knowledge course:
- Aircraft General Knowledge: airframe/systems/power plant, and instrument/electronics,
- Flight Performance and Planning: mass and balance, performance;
(2) in the case of applicants who have not completed an ATP(H)/IR, ATP(H), or CPL(H)/IR integrated training course, have completed at least 70 hours as PIC on helicopters."
"(c) Single-pilot multi-engine helicopters. An applicant for the issue of a first type rating for a single-pilot multi-engine helicopter shall:
(1) before starting flight training:
(i) have passed the ATPL(H) theoretical knowledge examinations; or
(ii) hold a certificate of completion of a pre-entry course conducted by an ATO. The course shall cover the following subjects of the ATPL(H) theoretical knowledge course:
- Aircraft General Knowledge: airframe/systems/power plant, and instrument/electronics,
- Flight Performance and Planning: mass and balance, performance;
(2) in the case of applicants who have not completed an ATP(H)/IR, ATP(H), or CPL(H)/IR integrated training course, have completed at least 70 hours as PIC on helicopters."
well heres an example doing some parachute dropping for a charity in Southampton 24th / 25th July so 4 dead legs of 45 mins. I find a rated pilot who wants the time I can reduce the bill to the charity, everyone is a winner !!!
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when i started, back a few years now, i was a ground crewman/loader driver, whatever you call them these days. Back then it was slave....
Any time that we flew out to any job that required ground staff, and we were going in the helicopter, i got to fly and log dual, or PIC as appropriate. I didn't have to pay anything for it, it was simply a perk of the job. All the other staff were really good about it, if one person got to fly and one to drive, they always let me fly, both ways even, however at night i was always the sober driver taking the guys out to the pub and back....
This was when we were ferrying our helicopter to/from jobs, not with any paying passengers etc. After i got my CPL, then there was also lots of hours with two pilots up front, that we normally only do with one, nothing like on the job training to really get you up to speed.
We then did the same thing with the next ground crewman that wanted to fly, he got the exact same treatment, got as much flying as we could give him that didn't cost us anything.
Jelico,
you will find that according to IRD, you were "paid" to work. i know that you say no money changed hands, however, IRD will say that you were "paid" for the work you did by bartering the hours you spent as Ground Crew, in exchange for the helicopter time...
not saying what you did was wrong, its a great way to get experience, just don't admit to IRD thats how you did it...
Any time that we flew out to any job that required ground staff, and we were going in the helicopter, i got to fly and log dual, or PIC as appropriate. I didn't have to pay anything for it, it was simply a perk of the job. All the other staff were really good about it, if one person got to fly and one to drive, they always let me fly, both ways even, however at night i was always the sober driver taking the guys out to the pub and back....
This was when we were ferrying our helicopter to/from jobs, not with any paying passengers etc. After i got my CPL, then there was also lots of hours with two pilots up front, that we normally only do with one, nothing like on the job training to really get you up to speed.
We then did the same thing with the next ground crewman that wanted to fly, he got the exact same treatment, got as much flying as we could give him that didn't cost us anything.
Jelico,
you will find that according to IRD, you were "paid" to work. i know that you say no money changed hands, however, IRD will say that you were "paid" for the work you did by bartering the hours you spent as Ground Crew, in exchange for the helicopter time...
not saying what you did was wrong, its a great way to get experience, just don't admit to IRD thats how you did it...
hah yes I think its a "grey area" - never admit anything to the IRD! I always thought of it as I was still paying for training, and figured I could aways argue I was paying an average rate of X over the whole CPL. Regardless I am extremely grateful for the opportunity, and in all honesty would have been happy to pay something for the ferry flying, and probably would have loaded for free. The life of a skid biter..
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Well seeing as you are set on learning in a Cabri ( possibly at that highly recommended school that has 5 ) not much I can do to help you. I am sure they will offer you lots of cheap flying 
Best of luck with your project !
Well seeing as you are set on learning in a Cabri ( possibly at that highly recommended school
that has 5 ) not much I can do to help you. I am sure they will offer you lots of cheap flying Best of luck with your project !
I started out working for an ag operator as a combination mechanic/loader/truck driver, the owner allowed me to ferry ships between job sites when it was practical.
Worked out for both of us, he got a cheap A&P mechanic & in a bit over a year I flew about 125 hours - when I got my CPL(H) I started spraying crops for him too.
He was taking on the risk of a low hour pilot in his ships as there was no hull insurance, I had about 43 hours TT but hadn't flown in over a year & none at all in a Bell 47 - after a couple of trips around the patch totaling maybe 15 minutes he turned me loose, guess I didn't scare him too bad!
Worked out for both of us, he got a cheap A&P mechanic & in a bit over a year I flew about 125 hours - when I got my CPL(H) I started spraying crops for him too.
He was taking on the risk of a low hour pilot in his ships as there was no hull insurance, I had about 43 hours TT but hadn't flown in over a year & none at all in a Bell 47 - after a couple of trips around the patch totaling maybe 15 minutes he turned me loose, guess I didn't scare him too bad!
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Hughes500,
The cabri look nice but I've not yet flown one, and I don't know what's good and bad, just by what people tell you...I'm not fussed what I fly to learn in tbh the more experience I can get the better.
A nice white s300 could also work
The cabri look nice but I've not yet flown one, and I don't know what's good and bad, just by what people tell you...I'm not fussed what I fly to learn in tbh the more experience I can get the better.
A nice white s300 could also work
