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Old 8th Jun 2015, 22:50
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First dibs should go to the CHC ND employees who face redundancy, surely that's obvious! TUPE is supposed to help out but written by dick weeds! Suffered this crap before...taxi!!!
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'Trust me', unluckily! Let's hope your £500k house is nice and secure? I'm sure it's all gravy for you!
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 14:59
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They do say all 'press' is good 'press'

http://verticalmag.com/news/article/31891

Originally Posted by helimutt
TUPE did apply at Humberside between Bristow and CHC. I think it comes under the TUPE description of 're-tendering'.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 17:03
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That link goes straight to this article: https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandga...-for-millions/ (about the CHC L2 crash).

What's the connection (other than CHC)?
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 06:42
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https://www5.recruitingcenter.net/Cl...=14545&esid=az

CHC looking for contractors for Norwich - plays into the hands of the ex-North Denes pilots who are also taking CHC to court for unfair dismissal.

SHELL don't allow contractors to operate on their contracts - but I guess, if it's cheaper.........
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 06:51
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Wink

Maybe they will only fly for the SEP owners and then change with an employed pilot for the SHELL rigs............

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Old 25th Jun 2015, 12:48
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Former Great Yarmouth pilots fighting CHC to save their jobs - News - Great Yarmouth Mercury

Not just DAN pilots having a gripe with CHC then?
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 15:23
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So they fire a load of pilots, move the base and instead of keeping on senior and experienced pilots who have been in the company a long time, they re-hire much cheaper contract pilots. I think I see a connection here. Isn’t this pretty similar to Ryanair style tactics?
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 16:42
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Anyone remember when Bristow took over Humberside? Lot's of dirty games went on there..... All of the big 3 operators in the UK have blatantly breached TUPE regulations when it suited. Bond in Blackpool anyone....?
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 16:53
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26500 .....

I am not involved but your summary seems a little unfair - from afar it would seem there was first a decision to close the airfield of North Denes (been threatened for many years) ..... then subsequent redundancies particularly with slow-down due to oil price ..... a sudden award of a new contract which was already being carried out in Norwich and which no doubt the customer demanded would continue there ..... hardly a base move?
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 21:06
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tistisnot, the other clients were NDEN based and CHC flew for Shell out of NWI, whilst at NDEN. So yes it was a base move!
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 08:42
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It was not a base move. Anyone with access to the actual timelines involved, the contract negotiations etc will be able to prove that. The pilots taking legal action for unfair dismissal from N Denes will lose. Sad but true. CHC lost the contracts they flew on and gained another at another base several months later with a new customer. The redundancy processes had been completed.

There is never a guarantee that an operator will win a contract and right up until Shell signed, it was not a done deal. N Denes was closed (and staff made redundant) several weeks (5 from memory) before Shell signed.

Waste of everyone's time and money. Utter waste.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 09:14
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The pilots say they were still technically employed by CHC at the time the new contract was announced on April 3 - their notice period running to June 2
Shell is not the only contract, the NDEN contracts weren't ditched simply because of the move.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 10:08
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Doesn't matter. Under employment law, you are paid for your notice but you are still given notice. Could they take their packages of redundancy and then apply for a job at CHC in Norwich, yes.

CHC did not make them redundant because they wanted to, they were made redundant because they had no work for them.

Legally still employed perhaps but serving notice under redundancy is very different to normal continual employment. That's why they'll probably lose.

Where is Flying Lawyer when you need him/ her?
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 22:02
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Dancopter UK

http://www.mustardtv.co.uk/browse/making-a-stand-norwich-staff-left-jobless-by-dispute-between-helicopter-firms/
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Making a stand: Norwich staff left jobless by dispute between helicopter firms | Mustard TV
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 13:02
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The "rehiring" process DC to NHV has highlighted that pilots are their own worst enemy in ruining T&Cs. A "rumour" has it that an ex DC Captain has offered to be paid as a copilot by NHV, whilst still acting as Captain. Btw his job was always there, but he couldn't stomach the status drop to copilot!

Congrats, if true, single handily helping harm the hard fought T&Cs of all North Sea pilots through self seeking. Whilst no doubt your new employer rubs his hands together gleefully.
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 17:19
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The Death Knell for T&Cs

As has been mentioned before, you get what you deserve. Crappy contract treatment has been tolerated/ignored in the past and, to paraphrase the Manics, - "your children will be next"
You are genuinely welcome to it.
So what happens next after oil price stays low? Maybe negotiate the salary of an ops clerk to be allowed to be a captain?
Maybe a panic move by a scared and blinkered pilot who might not fully understand the responsibilities attached to Captaincy - now that you know what the sector really thinks of the bus drivers why would you choose to work for them? That said, at least his original employer actually had a 'Captaincy' course - his last employer didn't think they were necessary!
Your self-serving tactics are more suited to Whitehall.
I wonder what HeliOffshore's take on it is?

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Old 18th Jul 2015, 18:03
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Johni, CHC do not expect individuals to pay for their own type ratings.

Perhaps the pilots you are referring to have been hired by an 'agency' (DevA?).
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 18:29
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Most likely this is a bond arrangement repayable if the employee leaves CHC before a specified period of employment has passed.
The bond becomes void if the employee is made redundant.
This has been CHC policy for pilots and engineers in the UK for years and is nothing new.

Engineers bonds have generally been less than half the cost of the training.
A number of staff, pilots and engineeers have paid off the balance of their bond when wishing to leave early.

An engineers type course would cost £30,000+ if conducted at Agusta. Training cost, salary,food and accomodation included. Travel and overtime cover not included.
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