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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:36
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Noise suffered by the people on the ground

Could someone be so kind as to advise on the rules concerning the noise we suffer on the ground?

We live near the University of Warwick on what sometimes feels to be the main north/south route for private helicopters with a steady string on traffic. Whilst most helicopters are a minor annoyance, an increasing number make their presence known by both noise and a physical sensation. It is sometimes necessary for conversation to stop for 30-60 seconds. I have trouble believing this is deemed to be acceptable.

What are the rukes on height and noise ?

Many thanks to anyone kind enough to assist.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 17:56
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 18:09
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Well given your position outside of Coventry you may pick up some traffic going to ether Coventry or Birmingham airport but it's unlikely there is a popular route North South there as that would take traffic into Birmingham cta . As for the rules a helicopter must be at least 500 feet above any person,vessel or structure unless landing or taking off, if you are in Coventry itself then that goes up to 1000 feet . As for the noise limits new helicopters are designed and tested to be as quiet as possible older ones are not but I'm afraid you don't own the air above you house so they have every right to be there , unless of course you are getting this problem between 2200-0800 in which case different noise rules apply .

if you want to know what type of helicopters are flying over you maybe give Coventry a call as they should be taking to them
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 18:18
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I was typing a response but CBS beat me to it...... I echo his comments.

From over this side of the pond, the advice I would give would be to call a local operator and just "ask" them. Certainly over here, we would welcome you to our office and be happy to show you routes, altitudes etc and try and do everything we could to avoid your home if possible.

We as pilots and operators need to be cognizant of the impact we have on our local communities, and try to educate rather than get into fights.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 18:39
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"Suffer"? Really?

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Old 28th Apr 2015, 19:38
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SUFFER!! I live close to JBLM and we have many daily flights over our home. They are mostly Blackhawks, Apaches and Chinooks but also the local medical EC135 and the R22's and R44's from the local school.
Because I love helicopters and have worked in the industry since 1972 I don't "suffer" at all as the noise level is less than the construction trucks building new home in the area.
I think you only "suffer" if you don't like helicopters
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 19:49
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Easy guys some people suffer a very real issue with noise where others don't even notice it ! Having lived next to railway lines and motorways I can honestly say it only bothers you if you let it . That said said closing ranks and antagonising people does not help the industry one bit.
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I like helicopters, it is my living. However, I had bought a house close to the airport, knowing the regular traffic patterns and as such tried to avoid it. I would get annoyed when helicopters would constantly fly over my house on weekends because they "chose" to fly wide on downwind legs.

We have two ways to deal with the public who are becoming more aware of helicopter noise---we can try and educate them and fly neighborly or we can deal with the consequences when they gain political strength---just ask the New York and Los Angeles helicopter operators.
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from my training days

"why do all the helicopter pilots on the field seem to get their license in less hours than the fixed wing" ?

"because they don't bother with the lessons that cover airmanship"
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"why do all the helicopter pilots on the field seem to get their license in less hours than the fixed wing" ?

"because they don't bother with the lessons that cover airmanship"
@sherburn2LA
That Statement is:
1. BS
2. False, and
3. Shows your attitude, so helicopter noise has to bother you.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 10:24
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What spencer said but with bells on !!!

Where I fly from a busy month at the airfield is 4000 movements all GA with about 80 % being fixed wing and there standard of RT and general airmanship is shocking , constantly talking ver each other and arguing and only being dimly aware of other airspace users .

The latest one at the weekend was very funny a fixed wing instructor calling up and saying he had a medical emergency and had to return to the field and when ask if he needed an ambulance the reply came back " no just the toilet " lol
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 10:59
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Originally Posted by Tony_SLF
Could someone be so kind as to advise on the rules concerning the noise we suffer on the ground?

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an increasing number make their presence known by both noise and a physical sensation. It is sometimes necessary for conversation to stop for 30-60 seconds.

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Sorry, but I have difficulty accepting such an exaggerated OP. To infer 'suffering' from an overflying helicopter and 'conversation to stop for 30-60 seconds' gets my vote for bulltish, since most of us here would be hard pushed to cease conversation unless standing within 10 yards of an Agusta A109 at flight idle (the noisiest light twin I could think of!), without ear defenders

Even on a still night an overflying Bell 412 air ambulance hardly imposes a noise footprint on my place for less than a minute, and certainly not with enough EPNdB to impact on the ambiance of a rural setting.

This, and sherburn2LA's useless post, come from a poster with a spotty history and a debatable knowledge of aviation.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 11:25
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What about those spy cameras, not to mention the chem-trails from them other flying dudes.

I love the deep reverberating sound of a Bell 412 air ambulance on a still night as it heads towards the nearby major hospital. Its sound is dutiful and purposeful as it executes its role of giving the guest in the back seat every possible chance of an extended life. Unfortunately head trauma victims require a style of flying that can upset the uninformed on the ground.
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Tony,

If this is a major concern for you in this day and age - get a life - I would say.

Cars on busy roads, children crying in shopping malls, reversing lorries, TV ads, Birds, ALL make as much noise sometimes.

Please have a good look at yourself and ask the question - is this having a long term detrimental impact on my life If it is - MOVE! Simples.

PS: There are no rules governing general aviation from..............aviating
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People just love to complain about the noise helicopters make. But they never remember what would be their life without them, those short memory folks should remember hurricane Katrina, the recent devastation in Nepal, and perhaps if one day they get into a car accident far away from a hospital, who would assist them? and the list is too far to type right now...
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SUFFER ??
Ever thought of a job as a leader writer with the Daily Wail?
As has already been suggested - "Get a life", mate.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 14:12
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Originally Posted by Thomas coupling
Cars on busy roads, children crying in shopping malls, reversing lorries, TV ads, Birds, ALL make as much noise sometimes.
At the first house I owned, a helicopter (a Jet Ranger I think) would fly over between 2:00 and 3:00 AM every few days making an incredible amount of noise. The house was not on a busy road, nor was it in a shopping mall or a trucking depot, and the TV is not turned on at two in the morning when I'm trying to sleep. Nor are there any birds making noise - they're trying to sleep too. The only noise loud enough to prevent sleeping was that effin' helicopter.

Originally Posted by Thomas coupling
Please have a good look at yourself and ask the question - is this having a long term detrimental impact on my life If it is - MOVE! Simples.
Which I eventually did... and is a viable option if you happen to have a few $100K in your pocket to fund same. Otherwise maybe not.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 17:11
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Tony

It could be the air ambulance or Children's Air Ambulance assisting someone who is 'suffering' much more than you are.

Perhaps have a think before you move near an established airport and then start whinging eh?

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Old 29th Apr 2015, 17:30
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Originally Posted by Gemini Twin
SUFFER!! I live close to JBLM and we have many daily flights over our home. They are mostly Blackhawks, Apaches and Chinooks but also the local medical EC135 and the R22's and R44's from the local school.
Because I love helicopters and have worked in the industry since 1972 I don't "suffer" at all as the noise level is less than the construction trucks building new home in the area.
I think you only "suffer" if you don't like helicopters
Agreed. I live a stone's throw from Soloy's operation near KOLM and find the constant flow of rotary traffic from NH and others quite soothing
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 18:34
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I live about 3 miles north Runway 35 of KUAO in Aurora, OR.
at least a few nights a week the local life flight A119 flies over in the middle of the night, I'm not sure how high he is but its low enough to wake me. Still, Its not different than the train whistle a mile away that sometimes wakes me up, certainly not worth complaining about. He is out saving lives, to ask him to redirect is path to limit noise (to me) and impose it it on someone else and delay patient care is crazy.


Last week a Chinook was orbiting over the river about 250' agl and about right over the edge of my neighborhood, It actually knocked my wife's scented oil diffuser off the window sill. Still not worth complaining about.


The Cranes do there water testing about a mile farther down, I often see them testing the dip tank when I am kayaking or my dog is swimming in the river fetching sticks. It actually happens quite frequently, I take notice almost weekly in the spring and early summer. Sure, it interrupts my serenity for a moment, but its not worth complaining about.




Grow up.


Unless someone is using a helicopter in a harassing fashion its just someone else doing their job and your pompous not in my backyard mentality that is the problem here.
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