Tell me i'm wrong...Military vs Civi street
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Ye gods - some real stereotyping and prejudice going on here!
Maybe people need to accept that are positives and negatives to both ex-military and purely civilian pilots. In my short time in the commercial world I've already seen amazing self-improvers and shoddy ex-military and vice versa.
Seems like the OP is pretty bitter about something and some have risen to an obvious stirring of the pot!
Can't we all just get along?
Maybe people need to accept that are positives and negatives to both ex-military and purely civilian pilots. In my short time in the commercial world I've already seen amazing self-improvers and shoddy ex-military and vice versa.
Seems like the OP is pretty bitter about something and some have risen to an obvious stirring of the pot!
Can't we all just get along?
In my experience there are good and bad pilots from both camps.
Grumpytroll has described a scenario in the US which also applies as a generalisation of the way it is in the UK also, especially in the mid nineties onwards with regards to trainers and training.
Where I currently work we try and maintain a balance between former mil and purely civilian pilots as both groups have something to bring to the job and we all have something to learn from each other, we regularly swing from 60% mil / 40% civ to 40% mil / 60% civ and it causes no issues.
The one thing the military training system does have to it's advantage is the ability to chop people who are not suited to flying as a career, the civ world does have a problem with a few who just threw money at the problem.
Grumpytroll has described a scenario in the US which also applies as a generalisation of the way it is in the UK also, especially in the mid nineties onwards with regards to trainers and training.
Where I currently work we try and maintain a balance between former mil and purely civilian pilots as both groups have something to bring to the job and we all have something to learn from each other, we regularly swing from 60% mil / 40% civ to 40% mil / 60% civ and it causes no issues.
The one thing the military training system does have to it's advantage is the ability to chop people who are not suited to flying as a career, the civ world does have a problem with a few who just threw money at the problem.
VeeAny -worth noting (for the record!) that the UK military system chops a lot of people who are very well suited to a career in aviation, as well as those who aren't. Most 'choppees' are actually have the potential to become pretty competent aviators, but have a stumbling block that would cost more than the allotted hours to overcome.
Also worth noting that recently a lot of 'choppees' are not, in fact, that, but merely 'surplus to requirement' , hence a very good strike rate getting jobs with other major aviation employers (Cathay, BA, Flybe and the RCAF to name a few). Admittedly not rotary but pertinent to the thread as they were a fairly 'safe bet' for those employers' training schemes.
Also worth noting that recently a lot of 'choppees' are not, in fact, that, but merely 'surplus to requirement' , hence a very good strike rate getting jobs with other major aviation employers (Cathay, BA, Flybe and the RCAF to name a few). Admittedly not rotary but pertinent to the thread as they were a fairly 'safe bet' for those employers' training schemes.
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In today's employment world one of the most important requirements is that your new employee needs to be flexible
Self improvers are usually more flexible than a ex mil pilot
And I don't mean someone who flouts safety procedures or employment laws and anti Union
Also the willingness to do other things when there is no flying to be done
Self improvers are usually more flexible than a ex mil pilot
And I don't mean someone who flouts safety procedures or employment laws and anti Union
Also the willingness to do other things when there is no flying to be done
