Bond ground all UK EC135s
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BBC News are reporting that "Emergency helicopters run by Bond Air Services back in air after being grounded"
BBC News - Emergency helicopters run by Bond Air Services back in air after being grounded
BBC News - Emergency helicopters run by Bond Air Services back in air after being grounded
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Just the fine print;
So, at what point do you think NPAS should lift their restriction?
Bond Air Services said that aircraft confirmed as having "no fault" would return to service.
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From Bond:
From which, as they had previously said there was no linkage between the Glasgow incident and this suspension of all their EC135s I presume the former is not considered fuel quantity related?
A statement read: "Following an issue with the fuel indication system on one of our aircraft yesterday we temporarily suspended service operations whilst we undertook further technical investigations of our fleet of EC135s."
It added: "We will continue to work with the manufacturer Eurocopter on any aircraft which are found with this fault, with the aim of resuming normal service as soon as it is safe to do so."
It added: "We will continue to work with the manufacturer Eurocopter on any aircraft which are found with this fault, with the aim of resuming normal service as soon as it is safe to do so."
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I'm saying that at least one of Bond's EC135s was grounded before or about 4th December because of concerns over misreading fuel gauges. This was the focus of the AAIB from an early stage in the investigation - hence my first post.
SS - I didn't call you a nob; I said your arrogance made you sound like a nob. You dismissed my contribution on the basis I was misinformed, however, I can assure you I am very well informed, hence my comment about not posting speculatively.
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Aeromys
Are you sure they were all flying until yesterday evening?!
Are you saying Bond have not operated any 135s' since the Glasgow crash ? On what date are you saying Bond grounded their 135 fleet ?
Originally Posted by toptobottom
Aeromys
Are you sure they were all flying until yesterday evening?!
Are you saying Bond have not operated any 135s' since the Glasgow crash ? On what date are you saying Bond grounded their 135 fleet ?
SS - I didn't call you a nob; I said your arrogance made you sound like a nob. You dismissed my contribution on the basis I was misinformed, however, I can assure you I am very well informed, hence my comment about not posting speculatively.
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Just to make it clear;
Bond Air Services said that aircraft confirmed as having "no fault" would return to service.
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Ian Whitehouse NPAS COO - "If such a notice is put in place (by the CAA etc) then we would immediately and carefully consider it"
...... Nollocks, you would DO it.
Why haven't NPAS taken the same precaution with their EC135 fleet?? Because they haven't got their own in- house maintenance or engineering management team.
...... Nollocks, you would DO it.
Why haven't NPAS taken the same precaution with their EC135 fleet?? Because they haven't got their own in- house maintenance or engineering management team.
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nodrama, I can only agree. You are legally obliged to comply...or stop flying.
If you've been around UK aviation long enough then you would know that... Surely NPAS crews want their airframes checked in the same way the Bond ones have been as a reassurance measure if nothing else. They say "safety is our number one priority", well, demonstrate the same.
If the ambulances are being checked as ok, let's check the police cars too....
If you've been around UK aviation long enough then you would know that... Surely NPAS crews want their airframes checked in the same way the Bond ones have been as a reassurance measure if nothing else. They say "safety is our number one priority", well, demonstrate the same.
If the ambulances are being checked as ok, let's check the police cars too....
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I think you'll find that Bond grounded its 135s some time ago, following concerns with mis-reading fuel gauges, as I tried to indicate here
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It seems that the latest is that 2 of 3 Wales Air Ambulance are back in service leaving one plus the South & East Wales Police Air Support Unit still grounded until inspections have been completed.
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Not quite sure where you're going with this. What I'm saying is that Bond quickly grounded at least one of its wet lease 135s quickly after the Glasgow incident because of a known problem with said 135's fuel gauge; that's the significant bit. I also said that I believed a big factor in the demise of G-SPAO was fuel starvation.
You are now saying they grounded at least one, a bit different to your earlier implication they grounded all their135s'. Checking a fuel indication defect on one of their135s' is not grounding the fleet.
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So, Bond have grounded all their 135's until they have all been individually checked and cleared to fly again by Bond Maintanence. I understand that and appreciate that, due to recent events.
NPAS have imposed an additional limitation of 100kg min in the main fuel tank UFN. When is this limit going to be lifted again as each aircraft is very unlikely to be individually checked and cleared by ECUK Maintanence as they have already publicly stated that it was not them that have issued the checks.
Seems a bit of a knee jerk reaction by someone in NPAS who should know better without thinking yet again just because one aircraft had a fault. This limit imposed is affecting real time operational capabilities, and hindering the service that should be being provided. NPAS, if you are actually that concerned then ground the aircraft and pay to have them individually checked, otherwise stop making half hearted attempts to make it look like you know what you are doing is best.
If ECUK refuse to carry out the checks as (like most of us) they do not see a fleet wide problem, what is Plan B? Will You just lift the limitation again next week once Bond have had all their checks completed and returned all the other 21 aircraft back flying again. Would that be a duty of care to your own NPAS pilots by doing nothing except making the job more difficult in the mean time!
Is this going to happen for every fault over the next few months until the findings of Glasgow are published?
NPAS have imposed an additional limitation of 100kg min in the main fuel tank UFN. When is this limit going to be lifted again as each aircraft is very unlikely to be individually checked and cleared by ECUK Maintanence as they have already publicly stated that it was not them that have issued the checks.
Seems a bit of a knee jerk reaction by someone in NPAS who should know better without thinking yet again just because one aircraft had a fault. This limit imposed is affecting real time operational capabilities, and hindering the service that should be being provided. NPAS, if you are actually that concerned then ground the aircraft and pay to have them individually checked, otherwise stop making half hearted attempts to make it look like you know what you are doing is best.
If ECUK refuse to carry out the checks as (like most of us) they do not see a fleet wide problem, what is Plan B? Will You just lift the limitation again next week once Bond have had all their checks completed and returned all the other 21 aircraft back flying again. Would that be a duty of care to your own NPAS pilots by doing nothing except making the job more difficult in the mean time!
Is this going to happen for every fault over the next few months until the findings of Glasgow are published?
