UK NPAS discussion thread: Mk 4
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The Emergency Exit Jettison (EEJ) training rig ... simply lost for words 
On a lighter note while I still have a sense of humour; I'm sure this one should have had a different title
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=ItcedKDZF0E
On a lighter note while I still have a sense of humour; I'm sure this one should have had a different title
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=ItcedKDZF0E
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EEJ training rig!.......
When I was a boy I could plan my crews to assist engineers in removing windows every couple of years when the aircraft went in for the window seals to be replaced.
Even made a very professional video
Only cost was the diesel to get across to the maintenance facility......
Seem to work then....
Have the rules changed to demand the purchase of such a piece of kit?
When I was a boy I could plan my crews to assist engineers in removing windows every couple of years when the aircraft went in for the window seals to be replaced.
Even made a very professional video
Only cost was the diesel to get across to the maintenance facility......
Seem to work then....
Have the rules changed to demand the purchase of such a piece of kit?
23 shifts with no pilot in one year at Hawarden???
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Dave,
I was worried that retirement might have been bad for you. I had visions of you missing the job and being bored.
You must be having so much fun being busy at last!
Watch out for men in grey suits, or black RangeRovers.
I was worried that retirement might have been bad for you. I had visions of you missing the job and being bored.
You must be having so much fun being busy at last!
Watch out for men in grey suits, or black RangeRovers.
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Interesting section on NPAS and future costing
http://www.westmidlands-pcc.gov.uk/m...operations.pdf
From April 2015 the NPAS objective is to establish new funding arrangements
introducing a standard pricing model with a fixed cost per hour of flying time. A paper
has been circulated to PCCs after discussion at the Strategic Governance Board on
19th June 2014. In that paper the cost per hour for WMP is likely to rise by
approximately 30% from the current £1200 per hour to a figure near £1600 per hour.
Although this is of concern, the fixed price per hour will ensure that the force is not
paying for hours that are not used.
introducing a standard pricing model with a fixed cost per hour of flying time. A paper
has been circulated to PCCs after discussion at the Strategic Governance Board on
19th June 2014. In that paper the cost per hour for WMP is likely to rise by
approximately 30% from the current £1200 per hour to a figure near £1600 per hour.
Although this is of concern, the fixed price per hour will ensure that the force is not
paying for hours that are not used.
http://www.westmidlands-pcc.gov.uk/m...operations.pdf
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If a unit goes over its hours, how do NPAS know who to charge extra? How does that affect the DOC's?
Is there an NPAS chap who sits counting the minutes while airborne? Do individual forces pay for travelling time to the job, or just from their force border?
Or is it just down to the cop who writes the log and gives it 5 mins more or less each trip?
I'm surprised NPAS haven't fitted hour metres like the Robbo's
What happens if a force goes over its allocated yearly hours? is it like lease cars and they have to pay triple the cost per mile when the crews fly past that limit?
Have NPAS employed their own time and motion chaps yet?
Before NPAS came about certain forces tried to find out what went on during a shift and crews had a choice of boxes to say what they did.
Ticking the 'problem solving box' always worked to pass the time in the old days
Curious how the latest bean counters work these days? Who checks them?
What happens if West Yorkshire say they don't want to be boss anymore....now there's a thought
Is there an NPAS chap who sits counting the minutes while airborne? Do individual forces pay for travelling time to the job, or just from their force border?
Or is it just down to the cop who writes the log and gives it 5 mins more or less each trip?
I'm surprised NPAS haven't fitted hour metres like the Robbo's
What happens if a force goes over its allocated yearly hours? is it like lease cars and they have to pay triple the cost per mile when the crews fly past that limit?
Have NPAS employed their own time and motion chaps yet?
Before NPAS came about certain forces tried to find out what went on during a shift and crews had a choice of boxes to say what they did.
Ticking the 'problem solving box' always worked to pass the time in the old days
Curious how the latest bean counters work these days? Who checks them?
What happens if West Yorkshire say they don't want to be boss anymore....now there's a thought
Or is it just down to the cop who writes the log and gives it 5 mins more or less each trip?
Do individual forces pay for travelling time to the job, or just from their force border?
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http://www.westmidlands-pcc.gov.uk/m...operations.pdf
National Police Air Service (NPAS)
38. The transfer of the West Midlands Air Operations Unit to the National Police Air Service took effect from 2nd October 2013. Air support to the 9 force central region (West Midlands/East Midlands) is now provided from 4 bases located at Birmingham, Ripley, Husbands Bosworth and Halfpenny Green.
39. Superintendent Miles, Operations Department, has been identified as the force SPOC to oversee day to day service delivery and he also chairs the central region Operations Working Group which meets on a quarterly basis and comprises of strategic leads from each of the nine forces. Issues identified are addressed with the NPAS regional manager. The group is informed by data provided in the national monthly performance document which has recently been introduced.
40. ACC Frost from Northamptonshire remains as the Central Region ACPO lead on the Independent Assurance group (IAG) with Chief Constable Rhodes (Lincolnshire) and PCC Ron Ball (Warwickshire) representing the central region at the Strategic Governance Board.
41. The collaboration agreement for the number of flying hours was agreed based on force usage in pre-NPAS arrangements. The figure was set at 1400hrs per annum with a pro-rata figure of 700hrs for the period Oct 2013-March 2014. The cost to WMP for 1400hrs is paid in advance and is non-refundable even if the hours are not used.
42. The 1400hrs figure included flying time for routine maintenance/servicing and was based on deployment criteria that were more flexible than the current NPAS model. As such, WMP has seen a significant reduction in the number of flying hours used and in the availability of air support.
43. For the period Oct 2013-March 14, 67% of the allocated 700hrs were used with a shortfall of 241hrs. For this current year to 3rd August 2014, 387hrs (27% of allocation) have been used. Predicted underspend of hours is likely to be in the region of 250hrs. Of note is the fact that only 9 of the 36 force structure are predicted to use all of their flying hours. Similar forces to WMP including Greater Manchester Police, West Yorkshire Police and South Yorkshire Police are all predicted to see significant underspends. Many smaller forces are predicted to overspend on allocated hours but there is no cost recovery element in place due to the national service provision.
44. The reasons for the underspend in hours include limited availability at certain times of day, the grading/priority criteria set by NPAS, increased flying time to incidents resulting in cancellations and, as previously stated, an over-estimate of the need based on pre-NPAS demand for air support. The system is, however, providing greater resilience for high priority incidents where air support may not previously have been available if the WMP aircraft was grounded due to maintenance.
45. Superintendent Miles has implemented a number of measures to address the shortfall in hours in order to gain maximum value from the current contract.
46. In April 2015 the charging arrangements for forces will change to a process where 73% of the costs will be charged on a pay as fly basis with the remaining 27% being charged for fixed costs such staffing, maintenance, command/control and the aircraft. The smaller element will be charged per force based on the force’s size, likely deployment levels and access/availability to aircraft. Also, those forces not currently within the NPAS structure will have joined the collaboration by April 2015 with the Metropolitan Police Service joining in Oct 2014.
47. From April 2015 the NPAS objective is to establish new funding arrangements introducing a standard pricing model with a fixed cost per hour of flying time. A paper has been circulated to PCCs after discussion at the Strategic Governance Board on 19th June 2014. In that paper the cost per hour for WMP is likely to rise by approximately 30% from the current £1200 per hour to a figure near £1600 per hour. Although this is of concern, the fixed price per hour will ensure that the force is not paying for hours that are not used.
48. Further discussion at the strategic level and an ‘in force’ review of the level of air support that is required will take place before a decision is made regarding funding arrangements for 2015.
38. The transfer of the West Midlands Air Operations Unit to the National Police Air Service took effect from 2nd October 2013. Air support to the 9 force central region (West Midlands/East Midlands) is now provided from 4 bases located at Birmingham, Ripley, Husbands Bosworth and Halfpenny Green.
39. Superintendent Miles, Operations Department, has been identified as the force SPOC to oversee day to day service delivery and he also chairs the central region Operations Working Group which meets on a quarterly basis and comprises of strategic leads from each of the nine forces. Issues identified are addressed with the NPAS regional manager. The group is informed by data provided in the national monthly performance document which has recently been introduced.
40. ACC Frost from Northamptonshire remains as the Central Region ACPO lead on the Independent Assurance group (IAG) with Chief Constable Rhodes (Lincolnshire) and PCC Ron Ball (Warwickshire) representing the central region at the Strategic Governance Board.
41. The collaboration agreement for the number of flying hours was agreed based on force usage in pre-NPAS arrangements. The figure was set at 1400hrs per annum with a pro-rata figure of 700hrs for the period Oct 2013-March 2014. The cost to WMP for 1400hrs is paid in advance and is non-refundable even if the hours are not used.
42. The 1400hrs figure included flying time for routine maintenance/servicing and was based on deployment criteria that were more flexible than the current NPAS model. As such, WMP has seen a significant reduction in the number of flying hours used and in the availability of air support.
43. For the period Oct 2013-March 14, 67% of the allocated 700hrs were used with a shortfall of 241hrs. For this current year to 3rd August 2014, 387hrs (27% of allocation) have been used. Predicted underspend of hours is likely to be in the region of 250hrs. Of note is the fact that only 9 of the 36 force structure are predicted to use all of their flying hours. Similar forces to WMP including Greater Manchester Police, West Yorkshire Police and South Yorkshire Police are all predicted to see significant underspends. Many smaller forces are predicted to overspend on allocated hours but there is no cost recovery element in place due to the national service provision.
44. The reasons for the underspend in hours include limited availability at certain times of day, the grading/priority criteria set by NPAS, increased flying time to incidents resulting in cancellations and, as previously stated, an over-estimate of the need based on pre-NPAS demand for air support. The system is, however, providing greater resilience for high priority incidents where air support may not previously have been available if the WMP aircraft was grounded due to maintenance.
45. Superintendent Miles has implemented a number of measures to address the shortfall in hours in order to gain maximum value from the current contract.
46. In April 2015 the charging arrangements for forces will change to a process where 73% of the costs will be charged on a pay as fly basis with the remaining 27% being charged for fixed costs such staffing, maintenance, command/control and the aircraft. The smaller element will be charged per force based on the force’s size, likely deployment levels and access/availability to aircraft. Also, those forces not currently within the NPAS structure will have joined the collaboration by April 2015 with the Metropolitan Police Service joining in Oct 2014.
47. From April 2015 the NPAS objective is to establish new funding arrangements introducing a standard pricing model with a fixed cost per hour of flying time. A paper has been circulated to PCCs after discussion at the Strategic Governance Board on 19th June 2014. In that paper the cost per hour for WMP is likely to rise by approximately 30% from the current £1200 per hour to a figure near £1600 per hour. Although this is of concern, the fixed price per hour will ensure that the force is not paying for hours that are not used.
48. Further discussion at the strategic level and an ‘in force’ review of the level of air support that is required will take place before a decision is made regarding funding arrangements for 2015.
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WMP has seen a significant reduction in the number of flying hours used
and in the availability of air support.
and in the availability of air support.
?" and,"We told you so....." .... spring to mind
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Am I understanding that properly?
If you don't ask for or it, or don't get to use it, no pliot, bad wx or a/c tech, then you lose what you paid....
But... if you manage to flog it to death you don't pay any extra?
Seems the initial budget figures certainly need to be revised. How did the gaffers not see that coming?
If you don't ask for or it, or don't get to use it, no pliot, bad wx or a/c tech, then you lose what you paid....
But... if you manage to flog it to death you don't pay any extra?
Seems the initial budget figures certainly need to be revised. How did the gaffers not see that coming?
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Snippets
'National Police Air Service
What on Earth is going on?'
http://prezi.com/9cil8s7xr8sn/npas-aaa-presentation/
'NPAS in the SAR Environment'
http://prezi.com/zxhpg7ajdkbo/npas-i...ar-environmen/
UKNPAS
http://prezi.com/qurc4yfml8_6/nation...e-air-service/
What on Earth is going on?'
http://prezi.com/9cil8s7xr8sn/npas-aaa-presentation/
'NPAS in the SAR Environment'
http://prezi.com/zxhpg7ajdkbo/npas-i...ar-environmen/
UKNPAS
http://prezi.com/qurc4yfml8_6/nation...e-air-service/
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Latest News
Latest NPAS News | West Yorkshire Police
Didn't they just say, "single contract & better value for money in the same sentence .... twice?
One way of making everyone happy
Friday, 5th September, 2014
SAS to provide 5,400 hours of yearly support for MD Explorer Aircraft
The National Police Air Service (NPAS) has awarded a five-year contract for airworthiness management, maintenance and parts to Specialist Aviation Services (SAS) for the 6 MD Explorer aircraft in the NPAS fleet.
"This single contract replaces the many and varied contracts individual forces had in place before the start of NPAS and means better value for money for the tax payer.
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Friday, 5th September, 2014
New Contract for Airbus Helicopters UK Limited
The National Police Air Service (NPAS) has awarded a five-year contract for airworthiness management, maintenance and parts to Airbus Helicopters UK Limited.
"This single contract replaces the many and varied contracts individual forces had in place before the start of NPAS and means better value for money for the tax payer.
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Tuesday, 3rd June, 2014
New Investment in NPAS Fleet
Brand new state-of-the-art camera and mission system equipment is being installed across a third of the National Police Air Service Fleet.
“The investment is between £5m and £10m and has been awarded to Bond Helicopters Europe.
“In a time of unprecedented cuts to policing, I am fully committed to achieving value for money, not just for West Yorkshire, but across the country.
SAS to provide 5,400 hours of yearly support for MD Explorer Aircraft
The National Police Air Service (NPAS) has awarded a five-year contract for airworthiness management, maintenance and parts to Specialist Aviation Services (SAS) for the 6 MD Explorer aircraft in the NPAS fleet.
"This single contract replaces the many and varied contracts individual forces had in place before the start of NPAS and means better value for money for the tax payer.
----------------------------------------------------------
Friday, 5th September, 2014
New Contract for Airbus Helicopters UK Limited
The National Police Air Service (NPAS) has awarded a five-year contract for airworthiness management, maintenance and parts to Airbus Helicopters UK Limited.
"This single contract replaces the many and varied contracts individual forces had in place before the start of NPAS and means better value for money for the tax payer.
----------------------------------------------------------
Tuesday, 3rd June, 2014
New Investment in NPAS Fleet
Brand new state-of-the-art camera and mission system equipment is being installed across a third of the National Police Air Service Fleet.
“The investment is between £5m and £10m and has been awarded to Bond Helicopters Europe.
“In a time of unprecedented cuts to policing, I am fully committed to achieving value for money, not just for West Yorkshire, but across the country.
One way of making everyone happy
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1400 hours paid up front and non refundable!
I bet the nappers at NPAS are praying for bad weather.
Question, who gets the money if the hours are not flown off?
Home office or West Yorkshire?
I bet the nappers at NPAS are praying for bad weather.
Question, who gets the money if the hours are not flown off?
Home office or West Yorkshire?
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I think those in PNAS are being very careful with 'its' words;
“In a time of unprecedented cuts to policing, I am fully committed to achieving value for money, not just for West Yorkshire, but across the country."
A slow but sure & steady move away from 'PNAS' itself having responsibility and into the hands of West Yorkshire. Is there actually anything to PNAS, apart from a name used as a prefix and a badge with the still unapproved usage of the crown? As cabby has asked, what happens when WY say they don't want to be the lead anymore? Was there a get out clause?
Anyway, pay as you go; If we're still around, it will stop the 45 minute transits for 15 mins on task for those priority 1's at 04:30 and the 'they once watched golf on TV, can you search the counties golf courses'.... I'd like to think
If forces are reluctant to fork out £50 for a phone ping, do we really expect a £1600 search of an unknown area to be worth getting the supervisor out of bed for?
“In a time of unprecedented cuts to policing, I am fully committed to achieving value for money, not just for West Yorkshire, but across the country."
A slow but sure & steady move away from 'PNAS' itself having responsibility and into the hands of West Yorkshire. Is there actually anything to PNAS, apart from a name used as a prefix and a badge with the still unapproved usage of the crown? As cabby has asked, what happens when WY say they don't want to be the lead anymore? Was there a get out clause?
Anyway, pay as you go; If we're still around, it will stop the 45 minute transits for 15 mins on task for those priority 1's at 04:30 and the 'they once watched golf on TV, can you search the counties golf courses'.... I'd like to think
If forces are reluctant to fork out £50 for a phone ping, do we really expect a £1600 search of an unknown area to be worth getting the supervisor out of bed for?
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Is that now a new and official "Goal" referred to in the NPAS - AAA presentation :
Have they now officially abandoned the other original goal of
providing a more effective service at a reduced cost,
or is that one still there but just not being met ???
Nail
One year on - Remember the Goal
To deliver a national service, organised
regionally and delivered locally"
To deliver a national service, organised
regionally and delivered locally"
providing a more effective service at a reduced cost,
or is that one still there but just not being met ???
Nail
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NPAS Overview | West Yorkshire Police
Guess that page needs updating 
The focus of NPAS is to deliver a more cost effective service, balancing the need to save money in a challenging economic environment against the need to ensure the police service has a quickly deployable asset that can be used to tackle crime and protect the public.
NPAS will ensure that essential air support continues to be delivered where it is required; ensuring that confidence in the service remains high. Forces will also be able to make use of a number of aircraft within each region meaning that the police service’s response will, in many cases, be enhanced over current provision. NPAS will be a truly national (England and Wales) policing service that will be at the heart of improving public safety. It will bring improvements in operational efficiencies and allow for the introduction of innovative contracts that offer better value for money for the service and the tax payer.
NPAS will ensure that essential air support continues to be delivered where it is required; ensuring that confidence in the service remains high. Forces will also be able to make use of a number of aircraft within each region meaning that the police service’s response will, in many cases, be enhanced over current provision. NPAS will be a truly national (England and Wales) policing service that will be at the heart of improving public safety. It will bring improvements in operational efficiencies and allow for the introduction of innovative contracts that offer better value for money for the service and the tax payer.
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... and this also needs revision, (apart from the logo still needing HM The Queens approval)
National Police Air Service (NPAS) | West Yorkshire Police
National Police Air Service (NPAS) | West Yorkshire Police
NPAS will provide a national, borderless service making use of the nearest aircraft meaning that the police service's response will, in many cases, be enhanced over current provision.
The underlying principle of NPAS is a national service, regionally coordinated for local delivery.
NPAS will provide an air service to 98% of the population of England and Wales within 20 minutes.
25 NPAS aircraft will be placed at 23 strategic locations that provide the operational capability to deliver an enhanced service to the public with an aircraft being available 24 hours a day. 3 reserve aircraft will also be provided when aircraft are offline for maintenance to minimise reduction in service.
NPAS will deliver a more cost effective service balancing the need to save money against the need to ensure the police service has a quickly deployable asset that can be used to tackle crime and protect the public. It is anticipated that NPAS will save up to £15 million a year compared to previous arrangements for police air support when all forces join NPAS.
Under the National Collaboration Agreement for NPAS West Yorkshire Police is the lead force and is responsible for the delivery of the service including the centralised aircraft despatch centre based in West Yorkshire. This ensures that NPAS is led and owned by the police service and delivers the operational benefits and financial savings that have been presented to individual police authorities
*Logo pending HM The Queen approval
The underlying principle of NPAS is a national service, regionally coordinated for local delivery.
NPAS will provide an air service to 98% of the population of England and Wales within 20 minutes.
25 NPAS aircraft will be placed at 23 strategic locations that provide the operational capability to deliver an enhanced service to the public with an aircraft being available 24 hours a day. 3 reserve aircraft will also be provided when aircraft are offline for maintenance to minimise reduction in service.
NPAS will deliver a more cost effective service balancing the need to save money against the need to ensure the police service has a quickly deployable asset that can be used to tackle crime and protect the public. It is anticipated that NPAS will save up to £15 million a year compared to previous arrangements for police air support when all forces join NPAS.
Under the National Collaboration Agreement for NPAS West Yorkshire Police is the lead force and is responsible for the delivery of the service including the centralised aircraft despatch centre based in West Yorkshire. This ensures that NPAS is led and owned by the police service and delivers the operational benefits and financial savings that have been presented to individual police authorities
*Logo pending HM The Queen approval
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A lot of answers to many of the problems can be found in the FAQ page.
NPAS Frequently Asked Questions | West Yorkshire Police
Just a shame that what was learnt was ignored.
It's A Mistake
Men At Work
Jump down the shelters to get away
The boys are cockin' up their guns
Tell us general, is it party time?
If it is can we all come
Don't think that we don't know
Don't think that we're not trying
Don't think we move too slow
It's no use after crying
Saying
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
After the laughter as died away
And all the boys have had their fun
No surface noise now, not much to say
They've got the bad guys on the run
Don't try to say you're sorry
Don't say he drew his gun
They've gone and grabbed old Ronnie
He's not the only one saying
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
Tell us commander, what do you think?
Cause we know that you love all that power
Is it on then, are we on the brink?
We wish you'd all throw in the towel
We'll not fade out too soon
Not in this finest hour
Whistle your favorite tune
We'll send a card and flower
Saying
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
NPAS Frequently Asked Questions | West Yorkshire Police
Just a shame that what was learnt was ignored.
It's A Mistake
Men At Work
Jump down the shelters to get away
The boys are cockin' up their guns
Tell us general, is it party time?
If it is can we all come
Don't think that we don't know
Don't think that we're not trying
Don't think we move too slow
It's no use after crying
Saying
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
After the laughter as died away
And all the boys have had their fun
No surface noise now, not much to say
They've got the bad guys on the run
Don't try to say you're sorry
Don't say he drew his gun
They've gone and grabbed old Ronnie
He's not the only one saying
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
Tell us commander, what do you think?
Cause we know that you love all that power
Is it on then, are we on the brink?
We wish you'd all throw in the towel
We'll not fade out too soon
Not in this finest hour
Whistle your favorite tune
We'll send a card and flower
Saying
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
It's a mistake, it's a mistake
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Noted the following Airbus announcement on the other MOD thread in rotor heads.
The problem of cracks and vibrations has been known about since 2010 it says.
Auto-rotation training drives German army light-twin requirement - 6/25/2014 - Flight Global
Following this news from Airbus, what do the NPAS aircraft insurers say about the pilots 6 monthly autorotation training not being carried out down to the ground following the Glasgow crash?
Do Bell aircraft have the same problems carrying out auto's to the ground?
Maybe its time for a change of aircraft, or maybe another new trailer!
The problem of cracks and vibrations has been known about since 2010 it says.
Auto-rotation training drives German army light-twin requirement - 6/25/2014 - Flight Global
Following this news from Airbus, what do the NPAS aircraft insurers say about the pilots 6 monthly autorotation training not being carried out down to the ground following the Glasgow crash?
Do Bell aircraft have the same problems carrying out auto's to the ground?
Maybe its time for a change of aircraft, or maybe another new trailer!
