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Old 16th Jul 2014, 22:21
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Is eyesight still checked in your annual medical?
Apart from the medical being every 6 months, is that question gramatikly correkt?
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 12:20
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I assume with "Multi tasters" you mean omnivores?
Always tought the Americains had a taste for meat and are therefore presumably carnivores?
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 10:01
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If the American police operators manage with 2 crew why do the UK need a crew of 3? 2 passengers and pilot?
Maybe because on a pursuit ( or other high profile incident ) the American Airborne Law Enforcement Agencies have the "luxury"
of being accompanied by a fleet of News Choppers to back them up with imagery and even directing troops on the ground at times,
plus if they do have to land to get "Hands On", the pilots are sworn Police Officers

Oh, and they also only have one engine to fly, so only half the workload

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Old 27th Jul 2014, 10:05
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3 V 2

I believe you only have to look at the crash stats for the USA to answer this one.

The wheel is being reinvented.
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Old 6th Aug 2014, 14:24
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Sid (16 Jul) - not sure where the rumour to re-register the fleet comes from but, if true, it would surely be yet another waste of public money? That old expression "many pennies make a pound" would appear to have been forgotten in some circles. By all means use a new Reg when NEW airframes come on line, if it ever happens . . .


Whilst there may well be movement in the airframes round the country to more effectively balance the hours flown, IMHO removing the last vestiges of an illustrious history by overprinting faithful registrations would seem to be the last egotistical straw. The hours balancing alone will surely test the mettle of the NPAS Ops Dept. depending on whether they want to ensure that all the aircraft get become "worn out" at the same time, whereupon helicopters will suddenly have become too expensive to replace . . . starts another discussion on its own, of course!

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Old 6th Aug 2014, 17:18
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There's an Ops Department?
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Old 6th Aug 2014, 20:35
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Knowing NPAS I think you'll find its been rebranded, re-registered to a OOP's [by gum] Department at a significant saving!!!!
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Old 7th Aug 2014, 07:46
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at a significant saving!!!!
But nowhere near as "efficient" / "effective"

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Old 7th Aug 2014, 12:34
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Heard a rumour at an airfield not far from London .....
Maybe that Rumour was an intention to drop down to 1 Police Officer, and a "Civillian" TFO ........

West Yorkshire Police Staffc Jobs

Tactical Flight Officer
National Police Air Service (NPAS)
Various Locations
Salary £24,036 - £25,704
Ref: XPC037
Closing date: 24 August 2014

West Yorkshire Police is the lead body in a national collaboration of Home Office Forces delivering air support across England and Wales as the National Police Air Service (NPAS). These are exciting opportunities for the right people to make a significant contribution to the first national policing service. It is a chance to make a difference to the communities served by the Police throughout England and Wales, making them safe and feeling safer through the direction, development and delivery of the police capability from the air.

As part of our commitment to delivering a world-class service we are now looking to recruit Tactical Flight Officers within NPAS at various locations nationally.

NPAS was formed in October 2012 and provides all air support services without force boundaries. Because of this, aircraft and staff are required to operate across several force areas.

In these new and exciting opportunities you will perform Police TFO duties, acting as flight crew, navigators and systems operators in Police aircraft, providing support to officers on the ground, assisting the pilot and providing advice and expertise to users.
The payscale is the same as for a "Multimedia Production Officer"
( Someone who produces PowerPoint presentations for Court use in "complex" trials


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Old 7th Aug 2014, 16:42
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Perhaps to ensure they don't crash as often? Perhaps because the workload and manner in which they operate is different from the states? Perhaps because some pilots don't help to wash the aircraft and you can't use ladders unsupervised?

It is a different world to most flying roles. Up to 7 radios to monitor, a camera to operate, a night sun to operate, a pilot to liaise with, and incident notes to scribe. Don't forget to hit record. Don't forget to switch on, lower and RETRACT the downlink.

And let's not forget - 2 sets of eyes on screens are better than one.

Has anyone bothered to check how many crewmembers the Maryland police and NYPD operate with?
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Old 7th Aug 2014, 16:48
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As for registrations and rumour control, the following are currently on retention with the CAA;

GCOPS
GCOPZ
GCOPA
GFUZZ
GFILF
GFIVO
GZCAR
GPLOD
GSWAG
GROBA
GCUFF
GJAIL
GOASU
GNIKD

Much better than the geographical ones!
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 06:00
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Sid (16 Jul) - not sure where the rumour to re-register the fleet comes from but,
May I suggest you read the post by 1helicopterppl on the same date
If you're trying to moderate the NPAS series of threads, judging by your 'handle', at least have the decency to read them
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 18:12
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Is that plus allowances?
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 19:53
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As is often the case with information and damned lies there is no 'standard' police crew of two in the USA.

In many states [Texas for one] the crew is the driver and he picks up his eyes from some greenhorn cop on the ground. The basis of that may have been under-performing aircraft types, its easier to deliver a distance with only one on board, anyway they look to alter that and move up to two crew because the system does not work too well and the newer aircraft perform better.

In a large number of states [ok, the largest group] there are two people up front. Either a civvie driver and a TFO, or a sworn pilot and a TFO, or two pilots operating turn about as pilot or TFO. They look to alter that and move up to three crew when they can and the money allows because many of them look up to UK policing which is still seen as pretty good despite the current 'difficulties.'

A few states have a 'standard' crew of three, two pilots and a TFO.

And then there is Europe...... why does no one mention Europe and take a wholly different set of rules [as in the USA] on which to base the critique?

Numerically most US aircraft are pretty much incapable of carrying a complement of three.... the OH-6 and OH-58 are getting to be older than me [and that takes some doing] but they still hold sway and push US crewing towards "single pilot delivery to scene ....."
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 08:03
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We've had the thread 'Prince William for Air Ambulance', should there be another thread for 'Prince Harry for PNAS', or shall we leave this rumour & discussion for here?

Starter for 10;
With 3 more bases closing, how will PH be 'recruited' bearing in mind the shedfull of redundancies coming to a region near you soon?
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 10:09
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Go on then Sid - which three bases ?

Are there any NPAS Pilot vacancies at the moment ?

If not then I suppose PH could apply for one of the TFO posts
until a Pilot vacancy popped up, but he would have to go through
the TFO Selection procedure first, and even though he's obviously highly skilled,
passing the Flight Test isn't always a "given" ( )

Only 5 days left for him ( or anyone else ) to apply for one of those vacancies !

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Old 19th Aug 2014, 15:25
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Nail;
Are there any NPAS Pilot vacancies at the moment ?
As it happens, and the reason why this topic is rising, yes there are!

Police Staff Jobs | West Yorkshire Police


POLICE/HEMS HELICOPTER PILOTS
THE NATIONAL POLICE AIR SERVICE (NPAS)
Vacancies Nationwide – Salary – Competitive
Closing Date: 7 September 2014
Ref XPC039

As part of its commitment to delivering the National Police Air Service (NPAS), West Yorkshire Police is looking to recruit police line pilots to be based at various locations throughout England and Wales.

This is an early opportunity to provide police air support to operational incidents across your Region.

Applicants should be aware that it is not always possible to carry out adequate security checks on persons who have not been resident within the UK for the last three years. Therefore, where this applies, applicants may be refused on the grounds that is was not possible to vet them to the appropriate standard.

In addition to completion of the e-application process, please email your CV, including a full breakdown of flying experience and hours to [email protected] quoting reference XPC039
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 19:45
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NPAS Rent, rates and wages.

With the recent cost savings being discussed by the Home Office, I've always wondered why NPAS don't use the same sites which some traffic units operate from if they are rural and not in town centres.

How many forces have traffic or dog/marine units away from built up areas? I bet they are stood empty most of the time especially at night.

Think of the savings which could be made. Surely it would save money on NPAS rent on crew accommodation, and allow for better pilot wages to be paid instead. Notice I said pilots
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 20:30
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NPAS are in a number of places like that - Carr Gate Wakefield for the FORMER West Yorkshire aircraft for a start.

But NPAS is not a police force resource.... well not anymore. It is NPAS. So while it may stay where is is already placed it will not be necessarily welcome taking space and creating complaints at a previously unused location.

Airfields, particularly underused RAF sites are a good mix of wide open spaces and aviation knowledge on the part of the host. Most traffic units I am aware of are cramped in pure aviation terms and the public have a horrid habit of buying houses right next door.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 20:42
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With regard to the advert above. "Competitive salary" is mentioned. Compared with what, bearing in mind that there is now no competition as far as employment of police pilots is concerned?
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