SAR Bristow Holland to go?
How will EASA permit them to provide SAR cover then?
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Ok, NAA then. Still, you would think that someone in the continent's safety agency would be interested that for a task as potentially hazardous as SAR in all weathers by day and night which, as we've seen in the last few days can throw up monumental challenges, is going to be provided by someone who won the contract a week and a half before the start date. That's beyond belief. Considering the levels of regulation/red tape etc that civilian operators have to comply with in most fields of aviation, it does seem as though sometimes you're good to go with Search and Rescue if you can stick a hoist on the side of an aircraft. Come on EASA/NAA. Sort it out.
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I know one thing for sure, the belgians working in Rotterdam they can hoist.
Every storm 24/7 for years already they go out to fly for the shipping pilots service.
They rescued 4 victims out a raft during storm in winter 2012.( Baltic Ace)
Every storm 24/7 for years already they go out to fly for the shipping pilots service.
They rescued 4 victims out a raft during storm in winter 2012.( Baltic Ace)
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Whilst the outgoing operator attempt to ignore the rules and shoehorn Dutch registered paramedics into UKSAR jobs ahead of UK registered paramedics despite the qualifications not being so easily transferrable..... And they have been told but they clearly know better....
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Are you the regulator who decided that the Belgians in Rotterdam 'can hoist' and from that and your reference to a rescue, are therefore the genuine SAR article? Please give details of the various configurations of day and night decks and wets that they have satisfied you with. What currency requirements do you set them? Which technique do they employ for a trapped deck at night?
If I've got it wrong and you're not the regulator then please don't make sweeping statements.
Are you the regulator who decided that the Belgians in Rotterdam 'can hoist' and from that and your reference to a rescue, are therefore the genuine SAR article? Please give details of the various configurations of day and night decks and wets that they have satisfied you with. What currency requirements do you set them? Which technique do they employ for a trapped deck at night?
If I've got it wrong and you're not the regulator then please don't make sweeping statements.
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Just in case you don’t know NHV was started years ago by a group of (ex) Belgium Military SAR pilots & engineers with the help of a businessman so I think you will find they have the “know how” within the company . Also plenty of this SAR unit retirees have found employment with NHV over recent years.
BTW before you ask I don’t or have never worked for NHV, regards,
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Just in case you don’t know NHV was started years ago by a group of (ex) Belgium Military SAR pilots & engineers with the help of a businessman so I think you will find they have the “know how” within the company . Also plenty of this SAR unit retirees have found employment with NHV over recent years.
BTW before you ask I don’t or have never worked for NHV, regards,
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I've got nothing against NHV although it seems as though some contributors may have. What I don't understand is how a contract can be awarded the week before Xmas to start the week after Xmas to provide SAR cover in the south east corner of one of the busiest seas on the planet. How the hell can the appropriate regulatory authority think that a week and a half is sufficient time to purchase, lease or convert aircraft, recruit and train experienced crews and kit aircraft out with the necessary items to provide the quality of SAR service that the North Sea merits?
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Nope,
I have no ambition to convince someone that NHV can hoist.
Is NHV the best possible available option to start next week?
I do not know.
But if you tell me that they just attach a hoist
Can they hoist ?
Fact is they used the hoist since 1997 for shipping service, sar and windmills.
Before 1997 the founders used it during there military career BAF SAR S 61.
I have no ambition to convince someone that NHV can hoist.
Is NHV the best possible available option to start next week?
I do not know.
But if you tell me that they just attach a hoist
Can they hoist ?
Fact is they used the hoist since 1997 for shipping service, sar and windmills.
Before 1997 the founders used it during there military career BAF SAR S 61.
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Sumpor -
Re: your comments about Dutch Paramedics taking
jobs in UKSAR. Slightly misinformed I feel. While the
company in question may believe they can shoe-horn
Dutch Paramedics in to UKSAR, it would simply be illegal
for them to practise in the UK, unless they have a HCPC
registration. Plus, it is also a DfT requirement
that UK Winchmen to be HCPC registered or in training to be so.
Having converted a Paramedic qual from one European Country
to another, it's not a quick process, and not always possible.
Re: your comments about Dutch Paramedics taking
jobs in UKSAR. Slightly misinformed I feel. While the
company in question may believe they can shoe-horn
Dutch Paramedics in to UKSAR, it would simply be illegal
for them to practise in the UK, unless they have a HCPC
registration. Plus, it is also a DfT requirement
that UK Winchmen to be HCPC registered or in training to be so.
Having converted a Paramedic qual from one European Country
to another, it's not a quick process, and not always possible.
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outgoing shoehorn
By 'outgoing operator' and 'company in question' you mean Bristow.... !?
I don't know if you guys talking about transferring international medical qualifications have been to a UK A&E recently, but it can't be too difficult a process!
I don't know if you guys talking about transferring international medical qualifications have been to a UK A&E recently, but it can't be too difficult a process!
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NHV seem to be using oaklandsglobal recruitment to fill positions along with vacancy page on the NHV website.
We are looking for 6 x Rescue Swimmers to be based in Holland working on a 6 month contract. My client are offering a rotation of 1 week on, 2 weeks off.
Candidates must be qualified Rescue Swimmers with Search and Rescue experience. If ...you are interested in this exciting contract can you please confirm the following:-
What is your availability to start?
How many years experience as a Rescue Swimmer for Search and Rescue do you have?
Where are you currently based?
If you know anyone else with the required experience please feel free to pass on my details as we have 6 positions available
I look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards
Kathryn Sainsbury
Director
T: +44 (0)1892 576100
E: [email protected]
W: www.oaklandsglobal.co.uk
We are looking for 6 x Rescue Swimmers to be based in Holland working on a 6 month contract. My client are offering a rotation of 1 week on, 2 weeks off.
Candidates must be qualified Rescue Swimmers with Search and Rescue experience. If ...you are interested in this exciting contract can you please confirm the following:-
What is your availability to start?
How many years experience as a Rescue Swimmer for Search and Rescue do you have?
Where are you currently based?
If you know anyone else with the required experience please feel free to pass on my details as we have 6 positions available
I look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards
Kathryn Sainsbury
Director
T: +44 (0)1892 576100
E: [email protected]
W: www.oaklandsglobal.co.uk
Hmm..... 11 days to organise machines, pilots, rear crew, trianing etc...
Are all the operators out of Den Helder still flying with full Pax or are numbers limited?
Has anyone tried a simulated call-out to see if anyone shows up....
RP
Are all the operators out of Den Helder still flying with full Pax or are numbers limited?
Has anyone tried a simulated call-out to see if anyone shows up....
RP
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SAR long contract
With the military almost cancelling the NH90 project for SAR, what is the future of SAR ops from Den Helder....
I thought the long term referred bidder would be announced soon... NHV? CHC&ANWB? Bristow?
Bristow seem to be collecting SAR contract each and everyday so why not this one too
I thought the long term referred bidder would be announced soon... NHV? CHC&ANWB? Bristow?
Bristow seem to be collecting SAR contract each and everyday so why not this one too
Pretty quiet since the 5th....
My 2cents....
NHV are probably the cheapest but have they got the right machines for the job (4axis AP, Limited A/I etc.) .... Unlikely
Bristow might be a good choice if they don't price themselves out of the market...
CHC is busy enough without the 'hassle' of providing SAR
ANWB hardly have any experience in this field... Maybe team up with one of the other bidders... Like CHC or maybe Heli Holland if this would be allowed in the first place...
Let's hope the government have got it right this time!
My 2cents....
NHV are probably the cheapest but have they got the right machines for the job (4axis AP, Limited A/I etc.) .... Unlikely
Bristow might be a good choice if they don't price themselves out of the market...
CHC is busy enough without the 'hassle' of providing SAR
ANWB hardly have any experience in this field... Maybe team up with one of the other bidders... Like CHC or maybe Heli Holland if this would be allowed in the first place...
Let's hope the government have got it right this time!
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Rigging Pin,
Time will tell
regarding the appropriate helicopters:
"Airbus Helicopters AS365N (4axis) Dauphins are currently used for the search and rescue missions. The Airbus Helicopters EC175 of which NHV ordered 16 will also be used to conduct SAR missions in the future.
experienced SAR pilots, winchmen and divers are already on the payroll
Search and Rescue
Time will tell
regarding the appropriate helicopters:
"Airbus Helicopters AS365N (4axis) Dauphins are currently used for the search and rescue missions. The Airbus Helicopters EC175 of which NHV ordered 16 will also be used to conduct SAR missions in the future.
experienced SAR pilots, winchmen and divers are already on the payroll
Search and Rescue
NHV - Do all 365's on contract for SAR at the moment have a 4axis AP or are there just 2 in the fleet at the moment?
With regard to requirements published for the new SAR service I thought it mentioned the AC needs to be able to fly in limited icing conditions? 365 /175 certified?
Don't get me wrong.. I am not trying to make NHV look bad... Just interested to see what they have to offer...
From your previous comment I take it everyone is still in the dark about his tender?
RP
With regard to requirements published for the new SAR service I thought it mentioned the AC needs to be able to fly in limited icing conditions? 365 /175 certified?
Don't get me wrong.. I am not trying to make NHV look bad... Just interested to see what they have to offer...
From your previous comment I take it everyone is still in the dark about his tender?
RP