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Old 18th Oct 2013, 20:39
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Flying under bridges...

Who can forget the highpoint of the London Olympic Games, namely, the "Queen's Flight" with HM aboard, accompanied by Commander Bond, flying under Tower Bridge, which must imply that TWO helicopters flew under Tower Bridge...

Has this been discussed in a previous thread? Did HM need special VFR clearance? what time of day did it take place?

Have any of you chaps ever flown under a bridge? I know of two light aircraft that flew early one morning under the M40 bridge near Stokenchurch...but don't know of any helicopters being that naughty....

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Old 18th Oct 2013, 20:49
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I believe this is the previous thread!

http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/486...er-bridge.html
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Low flying

Thinking back to my Royal Air Force training days at number 209 AFS, RAF Weston Zoyland in Somerset ... I know of one pilot who flew a Mk1V Meteor Jet under the Clifton Suspension Bridge.

The year was 1954 and the day the Bristol Chief test pilot, Bill Pegg was obliged to force land a Britannia on the mud flats following the failure of all four engines.

A bit later an RAAF pilot attempted the same trick in a Mk5 Vampire but sadly got it all wrong and flew into the side of the gorge.

And of course the Dallas man, the late Larry Hagman ... (his double no doubt) flew a Hughes 500 under the bridge in the film Deadly Pursuit.
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Odd the City of Portland, Oregon does not maintain the same paint standard for the undersides of some of their bridges.
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the City of Portland, Oregon does not maintain the same paint standard for the undersides of some of their bridges.
Neither does the Golden Gate or Richmond/San Rafael bridges......Although mine were legal.

There is no rule in the US preventing it....you are just under 91.13 Careless and Reckless and avoiding damage to persons or property on the ground. I actually flew under the Golden Gate on live TV when I flew for NBC there...
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Old 18th Oct 2013, 21:35
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Not too unusual for military helicopters. In my day the book limits were 6 / 3 / 2. That was the closest we could fly in metres above / alongside / below the aircraft. The limits were really designed for crossing under wires because a) our job required us to fly "VFR" in really bad weather and b) Air Control orders sometimes didn't allow us above 150 ft agl, to give us some separation from the many fast jets who were cleared to 250 ft agl. If we couldn't go over or around we went under.

We were supposed to go under such obstacles at hover taxy speeds though. Once, a long time ago, having recce'd and crossed under going one way, I did it again the other way at cruise speed and scared the life out of my poor crewman. It was more than a bit silly in retrospect and did promise him I would never do it again - and I didn't. And good to his word, he didn't thump me, either.
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Old 18th Oct 2013, 21:45
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Flew with 5 other Lynx through an underpass on an autobahn in Germany while on exercise once.
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Old 18th Oct 2013, 22:22
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Not unusual for SAR helicopters.

Severn Bridge
Pembroke Bridge
Kessock bridge

Usually looking for bridge jumpers - biggest fear was some workshy youth deciding to drop a brick over the edge of the bridge while we were in range

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Old 18th Oct 2013, 22:42
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I have flown under Sydney Harbour Bridge, as has our Oz adventurer Dick Smith, and countless military machines.
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Old 18th Oct 2013, 23:28
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This sort of thing MG ?




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As well as HF's Severn and Cleddau, both Menai Bridges and both Tay Bridges plus both Forth Bridges - always fancied the 'diamond' on the Forth rail bridge but never did
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Filming, flew under the Golden Gate and Bay bridges and also the Bolte bridge in Melbourne (when it was closed to traffic and pedestrians)

It is a less dramatic a shot than you would think, probably because the viewpoint mimics a boat!

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Old 19th Oct 2013, 03:04
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The space under the big four legged flagpole on Parliament House in Canberra has always looked like an inviting spot to charge through at high speed, no doubt followed by a trip to the nearest CASA office to hand your licence back.

If I'm remembering right, I think a 5 SQN Iroquois might have external loaded parts of that structure into place?
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One of our (late) family friends was a pilot named Chris Braund (of the famous stammer) who bought two P-51 Mustangs for 50 Pounds each in the early 60s. He would fly them to air shows and do flour bombing displays and beatups.

The story, probably much modified with retelling, was that he wanted to overfly Sydney Airport, but the Air Tragic Controllers told him to do an orbit at the Harbour Bridge.

So he did - a vertical orbit, passing under the bridge. "They-they-they d-d-didn't say it had to be h-h-h-horizontal!"
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Old 19th Oct 2013, 07:57
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Originally Posted by mickjoebill
Filming, flew under the Golden Gate and Bay bridges and also the Bolte bridge in Melbourne (when it was closed to traffic and pedestrians)
I've been under the Bolte many times (I managed the first ever many eons ago, plus a landing on the bridge prior to it opening) and also under the Westgate, but we certainly weren't concerned about closing it to traffic. Why would you have had that requirement put upon you, especially since pedestrians aren't allowed anyway?!

AC's efforts under the coat-hanger have faded into the mists of time these days since the harbour-master some years ago declared that he would close the harbour to shipping if aircraft were allowed to fly under the bridge.

Blooming numpty.
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In the early '90's I was flying on a contract for Dollar at Kyle of Lochalsh for the BUTEC. The week before I got there, I was told that an entire French Helicopter Club, who were touring the UK, had flown under the brand new Skye bridge (before it had been officially opened). A total of about 8 or 9 helis', a mix of R22, R44, B206 & H500.

I was invited to copy this by my passengers, but I declined on the grounds that it was more than my job was worth 😇
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The difficulty for non-exempt aircraft in the UK is surely the 500 ft rule. You need a tall bridge with a big span.
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Newcastle - the bridge that looks like the one in Sidney (sic) went under it lots of times in WX 5 and then whizzed around the close by office blocks to wave to the lovely Newcastle'ers. Excuse - landing on the dockside at HMS Calliope and unfortunate wind direction - all lies..........! Happy days and no complaints.
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Old 19th Oct 2013, 14:06
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Here's a scenario. You are flying along under VFR and encounter deteriorating weather. You decide to land in a field adjacent to a bridge (legal because you are exempt the 500 foot rule).

The conditions rapidly improve. You lift to the hover and hover taxy under the bridge. You can't ground taxy because the surface of the field is too soft. You cannot go back the way you landed for any one of a number of reasons

Having done so, you take off again, from the other side and continue on your way.

Have you actually broken the law?
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In CAA land (JAA land?) no rule broken in those circumstances, is my view.

Rule 5(3)(a)(ii) applies as your manoeuvre is a normal part of take-off. The additional space restrictions contained in Rule 5(3)(i) are not relevant as Rule 5(3)(i) applies to cushion manoeuvres on a licensed airfield or CAA approved site which are not connected with take-off or landing.
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