UK NPAS discussion thread: Mk 3
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Give me an example of a yob baiting plod by stealing a car who got a serious stretch.
Most of the time it's delinquent youth's from run down area's with nothing better to do.
I'd like to see a reappraisal of where my police precept is going.
Traffic/parking/vehicle crime assigned to VOSA/Highways Agency and more proper coppers back on the beat. I can't remember when I last saw a proper plod in my local town so that says it all.
Burglaries/petty theft etc is all now down to crime numbers and the insurance companies. Hence the better clean up rate.
Most of the time it's delinquent youth's from run down area's with nothing better to do.
I'd like to see a reappraisal of where my police precept is going.
Traffic/parking/vehicle crime assigned to VOSA/Highways Agency and more proper coppers back on the beat. I can't remember when I last saw a proper plod in my local town so that says it all.
Burglaries/petty theft etc is all now down to crime numbers and the insurance companies. Hence the better clean up rate.
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I'm long retired and happy flying Silsoe so not interested in that sort of rubbish.
(I never did the print or domestic stuff only global news hence my notice of you and Global Eagle.)
I've also had the luxury of flying around the world in my aircraft and not being a hired hand flying a cab for someone else. When you've flown your own for 30 years you'll know what I mean.
You won't engage in what I'm saying and what I've asked Theresa May to look at in a recent letter.We should not be risking the death of innocent motorists and pedestrians in these games. I've also written to the ACPO in regard to this issue. A few posts on this site are not worthy of any publicity.
The decision on how the police use traffic cars and the helicopter support units to chase petty criminals is down to chief constables and Theresa May.
A BBC's senior tv correspondents wife who is also a journalist nearly lost her life in one of these chases. (It will not take much googling to find the story)
Frankly I would like to see all such incidents prohibited unless it involves a major crime.
I'd like to see a lot more cross funding between air ambulance ops and police air ops.
It would make a lot of sense to use trained paramedics as police air observers.
Multi tasking is the way to go these days.
I want more bang for my police precept buck.
You appear to just want more hours to the pension.
(I never did the print or domestic stuff only global news hence my notice of you and Global Eagle.)
I've also had the luxury of flying around the world in my aircraft and not being a hired hand flying a cab for someone else. When you've flown your own for 30 years you'll know what I mean.
You won't engage in what I'm saying and what I've asked Theresa May to look at in a recent letter.We should not be risking the death of innocent motorists and pedestrians in these games. I've also written to the ACPO in regard to this issue. A few posts on this site are not worthy of any publicity.
The decision on how the police use traffic cars and the helicopter support units to chase petty criminals is down to chief constables and Theresa May.
A BBC's senior tv correspondents wife who is also a journalist nearly lost her life in one of these chases. (It will not take much googling to find the story)
Frankly I would like to see all such incidents prohibited unless it involves a major crime.
I'd like to see a lot more cross funding between air ambulance ops and police air ops.
It would make a lot of sense to use trained paramedics as police air observers.
Multi tasking is the way to go these days.
I want more bang for my police precept buck.
You appear to just want more hours to the pension.
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Give me an example of a yob baiting plod by stealing a car who got a serious stretch.
Most of the time it's delinquent youth's from run down area's with nothing better to do.
I'd like to see a reappraisal of where my police precept is going.
Traffic/parking/vehicle crime assigned to VOSA/Highways Agency and more proper coppers back on the beat. I can't remember when I last saw a proper plod in my local town so that says it all.
Burglaries/petty theft etc is all now down to crime numbers and the insurance companies. Hence the better clean up rate.
Most of the time it's delinquent youth's from run down area's with nothing better to do.
I'd like to see a reappraisal of where my police precept is going.
Traffic/parking/vehicle crime assigned to VOSA/Highways Agency and more proper coppers back on the beat. I can't remember when I last saw a proper plod in my local town so that says it all.
Burglaries/petty theft etc is all now down to crime numbers and the insurance companies. Hence the better clean up rate.
Of course, serious criminals never use cars.
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Of course serious criminals never use cars
Bikes are a better idea..
Stolen motorbikes seem to be the preferred choice of jewel thieves in London.
BBC News - CCTV footage of jewel store raid released
All the thieving community are wise to thermal imaging helicopters, traffic car patrols and stingers.
They know how to commit the crime and blend back in to pedestrian traffic.
Commit the robbery and get on the train,underground or bus and plod can't find them.
Not rocket science
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And there we have it. 180 degree turn please. The kids in the NW bait police with motorbikes. Criminals use cars, they are often stuffed with drugs or stolen property. Some massive sentences for some massive drug hauls.
PS. After a number of accidents with pedestrians (no cops involved) including a death of an innocent, a survey on Merseyside showed antisocial behaviour on motorcycles was public enemy number one. You do get the odd kid in a car, they make the papers, the majority don't and the internet warriors like you think that is the main problem. You are wrong of course
PS. After a number of accidents with pedestrians (no cops involved) including a death of an innocent, a survey on Merseyside showed antisocial behaviour on motorcycles was public enemy number one. You do get the odd kid in a car, they make the papers, the majority don't and the internet warriors like you think that is the main problem. You are wrong of course
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Jewel thieves in London use bikes? Ah, London, the centre of the earth. The safest and easiest way to pursue a car or bike in the city is a combination of helicopter and cctv. The old bollocks about abandoning cars and walking into a supermarket or shopping centre are also outdated. Modern cctv systems and direct links to the police mean that offenders are quickly identified in an average British city. 99.9% of our little angels would always head for home and bail the car near to where they lived. We could often guess the individual driving the car by the route he drove, placing a car near his home estate. Not kids, hardened aggrevated burglars who assault householders with weapons and steal from them. Should they not be pursued?
If you want to complain, it's a democracy, feel free, just don't expect the people here who do the job every day to agree with your flawed argument.
If you want to complain, it's a democracy, feel free, just don't expect the people here who do the job every day to agree with your flawed argument.
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As to getting on the bus or underground. Talking about London again? I don't think there are many cases of that up here, the couple I remember over the last 10 years, we followed the bus, got it stopped and arrested the crim.
YOP: For a man who owns and flies his own plane around the world...what on God's earth possesses you:
(a) to waste your precious time posting on pprune.
and
(b) waste time writing letters to Theresea May.
Surely you must live offshore anyway?
And why work as a journo if you can afford to fly globally in your own plane for 30yrs???
Something not right here, methinks....You aren't PANews are you?
(a) to waste your precious time posting on pprune.
and
(b) waste time writing letters to Theresea May.
Surely you must live offshore anyway?
And why work as a journo if you can afford to fly globally in your own plane for 30yrs???
Something not right here, methinks....You aren't PANews are you?
Good Lord!
Not me mister!
As you should know by now I do not post under any other name, never have, never will and my handle is pretty transparent..... If I cannot say it as 'me' I simply shut up and bite my lip or write it in my publication.
I was actually skim reading down before posting anyway.... my earlier comment seems to have been buried by these arguments with Ye Old pilot [boo hoo
]...
My post simply was to point out that YOPs comment about liking to see a lot more cross funding between air ambulance ops and police air ops will not work.
NPAS thought it could continue with 'helping' air ambulances out with engineering, pilotage and accommodation but found that the new EASA rules on the separation of police operations [State Aircraft] from the rest of aviation simply halted that well meaning plan in its tracks. There will be some 'help' [fuel and accommodation etc] but nothing like that intended.
As you should know by now I do not post under any other name, never have, never will and my handle is pretty transparent..... If I cannot say it as 'me' I simply shut up and bite my lip or write it in my publication.
I was actually skim reading down before posting anyway.... my earlier comment seems to have been buried by these arguments with Ye Old pilot [boo hoo
]...My post simply was to point out that YOPs comment about liking to see a lot more cross funding between air ambulance ops and police air ops will not work.
NPAS thought it could continue with 'helping' air ambulances out with engineering, pilotage and accommodation but found that the new EASA rules on the separation of police operations [State Aircraft] from the rest of aviation simply halted that well meaning plan in its tracks. There will be some 'help' [fuel and accommodation etc] but nothing like that intended.
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Some edit you made there YOP.
Can't quite keep up with people actually doing the job, can you!
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Can't quite keep up with people actually doing the job, can you!
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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As has already been mentioned, the boys in blue do the dirty work, the CPS decide what happens thereafter.
Anyway, this any good for you?
Ex-serviceman jailed for M6 100mph chase in stolen car « Express & Star
Give me an example of a yob baiting plod by stealing a car who got a serious stretch.
Anyway, this any good for you?
Ex-serviceman jailed for M6 100mph chase in stolen car « Express & Star
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OK let me answer that.
A stolen car worth '£4,000' ?
The cost of the helicopter plus ground crews followed by legal aid through the magistrates (because they can only give the bad boy six months) and prosecution costs. Must be at least a bill of £60k for the public purse.
It could be argued that the police instigated this chase as so often is the case.
The driver get's 12 months but is out in six and time served on remand means he walks away.
Is it worth it?
If I have my £4k lawn tractor stolen tonight will plod be launching a chopper or raiding the local you know what camp?
I'll get a crime number and a letter from victim support end of story.
A friend of mine had his £12k mini digger stolen two weeks ago.The police are not interested. He had a visit from the police four days later to issue a crime number to clear the crime off the books.
If that is the best you can offer to defend the high cost of air support Silsoe you should get your coat.
That's the typical crime the air support unit attends in the police camera action time fillers on the satellite channels.
A stolen car worth '£4,000' ?
The cost of the helicopter plus ground crews followed by legal aid through the magistrates (because they can only give the bad boy six months) and prosecution costs. Must be at least a bill of £60k for the public purse.
Mr Mark Rees, prosecuting, said: “Officers were on patrol and their attention was drawn to the vehicle and they began to follow it.
“It was travelling through the roadworks and it began to speed up. The car continued to drive erratically and they put on the blue lights but the defendant sped up to 100 mph. He exited at junction 11 going northbound and went through a red traffic light. The police helicopter was up and the stinger was activated. The defendant drove straight through it on the A460 Cannock Road before stopping."
“It was travelling through the roadworks and it began to speed up. The car continued to drive erratically and they put on the blue lights but the defendant sped up to 100 mph. He exited at junction 11 going northbound and went through a red traffic light. The police helicopter was up and the stinger was activated. The defendant drove straight through it on the A460 Cannock Road before stopping."
The driver get's 12 months but is out in six and time served on remand means he walks away.
Is it worth it?
If I have my £4k lawn tractor stolen tonight will plod be launching a chopper or raiding the local you know what camp?
I'll get a crime number and a letter from victim support end of story.
A friend of mine had his £12k mini digger stolen two weeks ago.The police are not interested. He had a visit from the police four days later to issue a crime number to clear the crime off the books.
If that is the best you can offer to defend the high cost of air support Silsoe you should get your coat.
That's the typical crime the air support unit attends in the police camera action time fillers on the satellite channels.
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So let me get this straight, only 4 grand so don't bother. They can steal Rob kill with a 40 quid car. When exactly DO we think it is cost effective. A shoplifters costs money to put through court, why not just let them steal and save money. Saturday night thugs kick the **** out of a drunk and steal his 500 quid iPhone. Worth it or not? Maybe it should be minimum attempted murder before it becomes cost effective.
Personally, I want criminals to know that whatever crime they commit, the police will use whatever assets are available to catch them.
The sentences handed down are another thing, they ARE too lenient, however not bothering to continue catching criminals is admitting defeat and inviting anarchy. While we have laws, we should attempt to enforce them.
YOP, you have a valid point, when all laws are cancelled, I will do it your way, until then, quit whining. Believe me, you ARE whining
Personally, I want criminals to know that whatever crime they commit, the police will use whatever assets are available to catch them.
The sentences handed down are another thing, they ARE too lenient, however not bothering to continue catching criminals is admitting defeat and inviting anarchy. While we have laws, we should attempt to enforce them.
YOP, you have a valid point, when all laws are cancelled, I will do it your way, until then, quit whining. Believe me, you ARE whining
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I guess you've never several thousand pounds worth of garage equipment stolen and you know who nicked it but the plod who eventually comes around tells you not to point fingers there as the persons concerned fall in to a special category.
'We'll issue a crime number sir and your insurance company will sort it'.
Quite frankly if someone nicks my car I don't care.
Vehicle theft/TWOC is not high on my agenda.
Better assign that sort of stuff to VOSA.
Jayteeto I see you are Liverpool based.
From my experience a dozen helicopters and a 100 cars will never tackle petty crime in the city. The scally's are out to wind you up at a weekend.
'We'll issue a crime number sir and your insurance company will sort it'.
Quite frankly if someone nicks my car I don't care.
Vehicle theft/TWOC is not high on my agenda.
Better assign that sort of stuff to VOSA.
Jayteeto I see you are Liverpool based.
From my experience a dozen helicopters and a 100 cars will never tackle petty crime in the city. The scally's are out to wind you up at a weekend.
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My fuel bowser was stolen from the airfield by campers from a nearby caravan site it wasn't road worthy as it was a static bowser they cut all the brake air hoses and disconnected all the brakes , the force helicopter was called but the ground plod found it and arrested the 2 miscreants
I had to pay £450 to get it towed back to the airfield the two people caught were given a cauction no fine or endorcements to licences even though they were driving a stolen uninsured 26 tonne waggon with no brakes
They returned to their campsite is wonder what they did the next evening
I wasn't a happy bunny
I had to pay £450 to get it towed back to the airfield the two people caught were given a cauction no fine or endorcements to licences even though they were driving a stolen uninsured 26 tonne waggon with no brakes
They returned to their campsite is wonder what they did the next evening
I wasn't a happy bunny
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The problem is MD that the law is not applied evenly.
Waste licences,red diesel use,no tax/insurance.. none of these result in confiscation of vehicles because plod is scared of the outcome. Dale Farm is a good example.
If the law was applied there or at Cottenham in Cambridgeshire then certain parties would get the message. There was a case in the national press recently where a stolen caravan was located to a certain community but plod refused to reunite it with the legal owner.
I get so wound up when I watch the satellite channels police action stuff because most chases are started by the traffic cars.
In Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire there are thousands of illegal drivers with foreign plates and no insurance who have been in the UK for years.
Each airborne hour for a police operation takes big money away from the bobby who should be out there helping Joe Public.
Waste licences,red diesel use,no tax/insurance.. none of these result in confiscation of vehicles because plod is scared of the outcome. Dale Farm is a good example.
If the law was applied there or at Cottenham in Cambridgeshire then certain parties would get the message. There was a case in the national press recently where a stolen caravan was located to a certain community but plod refused to reunite it with the legal owner.
I get so wound up when I watch the satellite channels police action stuff because most chases are started by the traffic cars.
In Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire there are thousands of illegal drivers with foreign plates and no insurance who have been in the UK for years.
Each airborne hour for a police operation takes big money away from the bobby who should be out there helping Joe Public.
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Of course the police start any pursuit, how does it work any other way?
Report of vehicle used in crime, vehicle seen, vehicle pursued if it doesn't stop when lit up. Report of stolen vehicle, stolen vehicle seen, vehicle pursued if it doesn't stop when lit up. Vehicle seen driving dangerously, vehicle pursued if it doesn't stop when lit up. Etc etc
As for the rest of your rantings, quite simply if you don't like it;
a. Don't watch the programmes, do you really think the PC's (and pilots) themselves are happy with the 'results'?
b. Complain to your MP, not deaf ears on an internet forum. It's not the PC's that dictate the punishments. They do their part of the process, others dictate the ongoing proceedings.
c. If you don't like it here, go back to the Saigon Sports 2 Hotel on Le Lai Street.
d. Hope that you or your friends/family don't need a police helicopter for anything other than the limited view of what you think we only get up to!
Simples
Oh, and yes we have launched to specifically look for stolen plant
I get so wound up when I watch the satellite channels police action stuff because most chases are started by the traffic cars.
Report of vehicle used in crime, vehicle seen, vehicle pursued if it doesn't stop when lit up. Report of stolen vehicle, stolen vehicle seen, vehicle pursued if it doesn't stop when lit up. Vehicle seen driving dangerously, vehicle pursued if it doesn't stop when lit up. Etc etc
As for the rest of your rantings, quite simply if you don't like it;
a. Don't watch the programmes, do you really think the PC's (and pilots) themselves are happy with the 'results'?
b. Complain to your MP, not deaf ears on an internet forum. It's not the PC's that dictate the punishments. They do their part of the process, others dictate the ongoing proceedings.
c. If you don't like it here, go back to the Saigon Sports 2 Hotel on Le Lai Street.
d. Hope that you or your friends/family don't need a police helicopter for anything other than the limited view of what you think we only get up to!
Simples
Oh, and yes we have launched to specifically look for stolen plant
