AS332L2 Ditching off Shetland: 23rd August 2013

[HeliComparator]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

It is the thought process that it would have helped - highlighting the need to obey minimums and plan to level off or go around at MDA.

You just can't help yourself having a pop can you HC?

I spent my Friday and Saturday teaching NVD and SAR, what did you do?

Yes I do apologise, it is most unpleasant when you are on the receiving end of someone accusing you of negligently supplying dangerously misleading information.

Thanks for asking, I spent my Friday and Saturday on my boat.

[[email protected]]

Yes I do apologise, it is most unpleasant when you are on the receiving end of someone accusing you of negligently supplying dangerously misleading information.

At what point did I accuse you of that? Since that is what you seem to be implying.

Thanks for asking, I spent my Friday and Saturday on my boat.

Far away from aircraft then

[DOUBLE BOGEY]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

At what point did I accuse you of that? Since that is what you seem to be implying.

Far away from aircraft then

My Dear CRAB, HC is enjoying his well earned retirement. All in all...…..the boat sounds better than droning around the sky.

I know you like to think you "Own" the glory days of mandrualic flying. Well...… we used to fly into Sumburgh with nowt but a an NDB needle (twitching like the tail of a ****ting dog), black and white stormscope radar (the only colour on it was egg from the last crews breakfast) and a very good idea of what the ground looked like on the radar screen (lumpy bits).
This was an S61NM with an AFCS that did not have holds. Just stabilisation!! (Oh and a little blue triangle know that let you change the heading automatically by I think about 6 degrees - memory failing).

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I know you like to think you "Own" the glory days of mandrualic flying.

Not sure where you got that idea either..........But I'll see your NDB and raise you Decca Nav and a coffee grinder ADF on the Wessex

the boat sounds better than droning around the sky.

I'll stay flying while I'm still young enough to do so thanks, saving boats and golf for when I am properly old Much of my experience with boats has been rescuing people from them

And for HC - this is where I got the idea that it was normal to use ALTA on a coupled approach

My understanding of this approach was the V/S was active to a preset ALT.A. So ALT would deploy at the set altitude. The previous stabilised approach during the descent then destabilised as there was no automatic or manual modulation of the power (collective).

That was DB earlier in the thread.

[DOUBLE BOGEY]

Hi Crab,

It is normal to use ALT.A for 2D approach (provided it is not CDFA) but normaly only in 4-Axis mode, to capture a MDA/H.

I also spent a year when the DECCA+Moving Map was still the primary area navaid on a couple of our 61s.

Going back further, Gazelle AH1 SPIFR with no SAS and with Doppler mini-TANs in the BAOR IF Corridor...………..

So I will see your DECCA and raise you Doppler Mini-TANs which was as much use as tits on a fish!

We keep going until we get to a magnetised darning needle in a pool of the co-pilots piss and a hand drawn map from a Pirates stash!

[HeliComparator]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

At what point did I accuse you of that? Since that is what you seem to be implying.

You didn’t and I wasn’t.


<Note to self: next time I need to bear in mind the cognitive abilities of the recipient>

[Fareastdriver]

Going back further, Gazelle AH1 SPIFR with no SAS and with Doppler mini-TANs in the BAOR IF Corridor...……….

Or going back further Whirlwind 10s with no AFCS, or trim: Let the stick go and it fell over and the aeroplane followed it. Even further back the Sycamore with no AFCS, no hydraulics and controls that were so heavy that there were wheel operated springs so you could control the the wooden rotor system. That was after you had pumped a water/glycol mix to or from the boom so it would stay within CofG limits.

You telling us you have to write an SOP to punch FMS buttons?????

[helicrazi]

Originally Posted by Fareastdriver

Or going back further Whirlwind 10s with no AFCS, or trim: Let the stick go and it fell over and the aeroplane followed it. Even further back the Sycamore with no AFCS, no hydraulics and controls that were so heavy that there were wheel operated springs so you could control the the wooden rotor system. That was after you had pumped a water/glycol mix to or from the boom so it would stay within CofG limits.

You telling us you have to write an SOP to punch FMS buttons?????

I'll top trump you all, I survived an R22

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<Note to self: next time I need to bear in mind the cognitive abilities of the recipient>

Well you are the senior citizen so cognitive abilities are bound to concern you more than me

So I will see your DECCA and raise you Doppler Mini-TANs which was as much use as tits on a fish!

DB, I've done the IFR AH1 Gazelle stint too - the LWNA, lightweight nav aid was no better - just a doppler based system that always wandered. The Lynx TANS was just as crap!

We keep going until we get to a magnetised darning needle in a pool of the co-pilots piss and a hand drawn map from a Pirates stash!

or Wessex night flying in the mountains with no goggles using a clock and the compass

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I'll top trump you all, I survived an R22

Helicrazi - me too but one on its side in a field

[handysnaks]

The Lynx TANS was just as crap!

But good for useless memory recall!
I last operated in a Lynx AH1 as a ACM(O) in early 1984, I can still remember the Lat and long we used to enter for the Apron/Dispersal at Detmold was N51565 E008543 and I'm pretty sure the 10 figure Grid Reference was 49530 85470

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Hahaha - excellent handysnaks

[diginagain]

Originally Posted by Shell Management

The Total radio operator had neglected to give them Scatsta weather.That would never have happened at a Shell facility

I'm sure that had they asked, the Borgsten's RO could have provided it, or I could have walked across the helideck and handed it to them.

[Medmerry]

I used to work on XZ244 in 1981/82. I remember quizzing Peter Brouard on the need for door maintenance as he worked on the starboard door. He said if it came off in flight it would hit the tail rotor and he knew the height and speed which was best for crew survivability if that happened, over the sea that is.

[212man]

Originally Posted by Medmerry

I used to work on XZ244 in 1981/82. I remember quizzing Peter Brouard on the need for door maintenance as he worked on the starboard door. He said if it came off in flight it would hit the tail rotor and he knew the height and speed which was best for crew survivability if that happened, over the sea that is.

I saw its remnants in the RN accident investigation branch hangar. A very sad incident but hard to see how it relates to this post? They went ‘feet dry’, opened the door that then came off and struck the TR. They crashed on land.

[Medmerry]

XZ244 was mentioned in this post by someone else, that's why I mentioned it.