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Old 19th Aug 2013, 14:23
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R44 required for lease next year

Please let me know if you have or know of anyone willing to lease their R44 next year for 9-12 months.

(Not for commercial use)
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 15:11
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R44 lease 2014

Hi simondlh,

PM me as I may be able to help?
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Old 20th Aug 2013, 19:10
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Fuel upgrade

Hopefully anyone leasing any Robinson will check about the fuel tank upgrades before committing
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Old 21st Aug 2013, 07:23
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I wouldn't call them "fuel tank upgrades". They aren't mandatory in the UK. It's a bag tank and it reduces endurance by some 0.2-0.3 hrs - so if you're not used to them, they can catch you out.

Bag tanks. Not safety cells. There's a big difference. With a bag tank you can still get a rupture in an incident and still get spillage.

And - let's be honest - who would want a bag tank chafing around under their car?
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Old 21st Aug 2013, 16:47
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R44 fuel tank upgrades?

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Why are tank upgrades compulsory elsewhere in the world and not here in the UK? I would have thought it would be like a manufacturer recall? Just curious
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Old 21st Aug 2013, 19:50
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Nasty thing chafing !

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Old 21st Aug 2013, 21:34
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NMHFM:

Though it was only Oz that has the bladder tank mod as an AD? RHC SB in US, UK and everywhere else as far as I'm aware (no knowledge of rest of world so may well be a bit out of touch)
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Old 21st Aug 2013, 22:15
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Yes I understand that it is only Oz, but why only there if its such a problem, as I said surely should be treated like a manufacturer recall?
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 01:05
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R44

Hi,let me know if you're still looking for an R44... I will maybe have one for lease. PM me for more details...
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 12:53
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Nomorehelosforme: What problem? The limited number of post-crash fires probably have more to do with high ambient temps and fuel vapourisation than just spillage.

AVGAS is extremely volatile and becomes a massive explosive-in-waiting in the sorts of temps experienced in places like Australia.

A foil blanket over the tanks whilst parked in direct sunlight - now that makes sense.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 14:28
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High Ambient temperatures? A foil blanket over the tanks when parked? What do you plan to cover the tanks with in flight in the Aussie sun?
More to do with dumping avgas from a ruptured tank onto hot engine and exhaust. Avgas has a flash point Of −43C and an autoignition point of 246C.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 16:13
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In IK, go for one that is used for public transport, and I think the mod was then mandetory in UK. I seem to recall that non-modified AOC aircraft were grounded from (end of April 2013?) when the SB time limit ran out.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 16:30
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Or of course you could always lease a 350. As several people have pointed out on PPRuNe, they REALLY do catch fire. And the cockpit seems to disintegrate. But I forgot.......this is a bash the Robinson thread

After almost two decades I fail to see the basis for the shock horror reporting down under. New 44s will sensibly have the bladder tanks but for those of us who pay for our own flying I will continue as is, always aware of the limitations of the aircraft but well aware I and most other folk wouldn't be flying today without them.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 18:47
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The only country that has brought an AD requiring the bladder tanks to be fitted is Australia. In the US if you are carrying paying passengers you have to have them fitted. Everywhere it is a service bulletin and is at the owner's discretion. If an AD is brought out in EASA Land or FAA land that will change.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 21:27
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Problem?

Jimball

Please comment on the latest replys on this thread?

Guys, I agree this isn't a Robbie bashing thread.......but?

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 13:56
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And all simonh wanted was to lease an R44 in the UK!
There's a whole load of difference in heat accumulation between parking in direct sunlight and flying at 105kts. It's plain physics.
The point in all this is that there have not been a major amount of post-crash fires - and some of the ones that have happened would still have happened with a bag tank.
If you're that worried about the risks involved in flying, then maybe you shouldn't fly. We have operated the same 2 Raven IIs for nearly 10 years and 5000 hrs without any problems. The R44 is the most reliable helicopter in the world.
And remember - it's generally only pilots that make any aircraft dangerous. And the occasional lax engineer.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 06:48
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