Dreadlocks, long hair/ scholarship and jobs
Well there's the rub.....this thread has had some 3000 views....many of the lurkers on this forum have their finger pressed firmly on the pulse of the helicopter industry in this country...yet no-one seems to have heard about this scholarship except Kyyle and his 599 cohorts
It's got to be a wind-up
It's got to be a wind-up
Doesn't anybody bother to read the posts on this thread properly?
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Hi Kyyle, first, congrats for getting over the first hurdle and good luck for the next one...
If flying helicopters is what you want most, long or short hairs will make no difference, you will do it. (Many times I have been barked at "Marechal des Logis Alicopter... hair dresser... NOW... it's an order" when in the french ALAT... had no choice then!). If and when the question of your hair style arises, tell your interlocutor that if necessary you are willing to cut it but that you think that this is who you are and you like yourself this way and would like to stay that way. Feeling good about yourself is more important than "acting" something you are not. Actually, people are more and more open minded about it. My son has dreadlocks, washes his hair twice a week with a special shampoo, showers every day, never swears, is very polite and always helping others, does not drink any alcohol at all, does not smoke or inhale any tobacco or drugs, (he could not be at the European level he is at sports and martial arts if he did!...) eat healthy, is very much liked by all our friends and family and seeing his apparent success with the Ladies, at 25, very "popular". Go for it, believe in yourself, be confident and let your passion for flying show. Work hard, study hard, always be alert and take great care of having a healthy lifestyle and you will fly over the hurdles. Good luck to you. alicopter.
If flying helicopters is what you want most, long or short hairs will make no difference, you will do it. (Many times I have been barked at "Marechal des Logis Alicopter... hair dresser... NOW... it's an order" when in the french ALAT... had no choice then!). If and when the question of your hair style arises, tell your interlocutor that if necessary you are willing to cut it but that you think that this is who you are and you like yourself this way and would like to stay that way. Feeling good about yourself is more important than "acting" something you are not. Actually, people are more and more open minded about it. My son has dreadlocks, washes his hair twice a week with a special shampoo, showers every day, never swears, is very polite and always helping others, does not drink any alcohol at all, does not smoke or inhale any tobacco or drugs, (he could not be at the European level he is at sports and martial arts if he did!...) eat healthy, is very much liked by all our friends and family and seeing his apparent success with the Ladies, at 25, very "popular". Go for it, believe in yourself, be confident and let your passion for flying show. Work hard, study hard, always be alert and take great care of having a healthy lifestyle and you will fly over the hurdles. Good luck to you. alicopter.
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alicopter - thats the best post on here thanks so much
i sound like your son
because i have dreadlocks everyone thinks i smoke and im a rasta but to be honest you hit the nail on the head everything your son does thats what im like
i sound like your son
because i have dreadlocks everyone thinks i smoke and im a rasta but to be honest you hit the nail on the head everything your son does thats what im like
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kyyle :
Some of the smartest and most successful people I have worked with are dyslexic and their written English bears no relation to yours. You are no more dyslexic than I am. Your English is sloppy and lazy, indicating a lack of pride in the image you project of yourself and any potential employer will pick that up on a first impression.
You are using your dreadlocks in the same way that many people play the race card. Most people will very quickly see through that to the chip you have on your shoulder.
I am not going to get drawn into a discussion with you on this as it can only go one way. You may reply if you wish but I suggest you don't bother as nothing you say will change the opinion your previous postings have engendered.
Some of the smartest and most successful people I have worked with are dyslexic and their written English bears no relation to yours. You are no more dyslexic than I am. Your English is sloppy and lazy, indicating a lack of pride in the image you project of yourself and any potential employer will pick that up on a first impression.
You are using your dreadlocks in the same way that many people play the race card. Most people will very quickly see through that to the chip you have on your shoulder.
I am not going to get drawn into a discussion with you on this as it can only go one way. You may reply if you wish but I suggest you don't bother as nothing you say will change the opinion your previous postings have engendered.
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Sorry
I am disappointed in my self for taking your original post seriously. clearly I wasted my time, knowledge and experience in an attempt to help a young man be successful. Please don't expect honest, caring professionals to try and assist you in the future. I have two college aged kids and I sometimes think they are the only ones who "know everything". Its a disease that afflicts all people of that age group. Luckily it never happened to me.
Okay son, here you go:
Yeah, i wouldn't worry about the hair or what you wear or anything. You obviously know what to do. You cleverly asked a question which you already knew the answer to but it was actually designed to get me and others thinking about how wrongheaded we are when it comes to the whole profession and gosh, life itself. So I say thanks good buddy, (sniff) thanks.
Okay son, here you go:
Yeah, i wouldn't worry about the hair or what you wear or anything. You obviously know what to do. You cleverly asked a question which you already knew the answer to but it was actually designed to get me and others thinking about how wrongheaded we are when it comes to the whole profession and gosh, life itself. So I say thanks good buddy, (sniff) thanks.
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At the risk of adding fuel to the fire, I managed to locate this advertisement, which I assume, given the lack of scholarships available, is the interview kyyle sat, either that, or it is the medium he wishes to use to convey the wind up:
Company confidential
Trainee Helicopter Pilot
Job description
The UK Government have now stopped career development loans for Pilots and with more pilots coming up to retirement age we are now looking to take on two people for a Helicopter Pilot Scholarship, full training will be given if you are between the age of 17-25 under 16 stone (weight seat limit for a R22 training helicopter) and you have good grades in maths and english please email us your C.V at the address below. You will home study in the week for the nine multiple choice exams then attend flight training on weekends so this could be worked around a full time job if you are looking for a career change. Please note if you are applying for this job and you are unemployed and you arrange an interview and you do not attend we will contact your local job centre to find out why!!!!! so please only serious candidates apply.
Please email your C.V to [email protected]
Note the header of the edvert, and the email address, not particularly confidential!
Bravo, I apologise my earlier post didn't give more information on the subject, I was at work during that post, and the filters prevented me accessing their website.
Company confidential
Trainee Helicopter Pilot
Job description
The UK Government have now stopped career development loans for Pilots and with more pilots coming up to retirement age we are now looking to take on two people for a Helicopter Pilot Scholarship, full training will be given if you are between the age of 17-25 under 16 stone (weight seat limit for a R22 training helicopter) and you have good grades in maths and english please email us your C.V at the address below. You will home study in the week for the nine multiple choice exams then attend flight training on weekends so this could be worked around a full time job if you are looking for a career change. Please note if you are applying for this job and you are unemployed and you arrange an interview and you do not attend we will contact your local job centre to find out why!!!!! so please only serious candidates apply.
Please email your C.V to [email protected]
Note the header of the edvert, and the email address, not particularly confidential!
Bravo, I apologise my earlier post didn't give more information on the subject, I was at work during that post, and the filters prevented me accessing their website.
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grumpytroll its not that i think i no it all, iv accepted all advice with open arms and i have seriously taken in to consideration that if im going to go ahead with being a pilot i will have to cut my hair and im fine with that
OTGLU yes that is the correct advertisement i found it on the Direct Gov website, you are the only one who found it, even though as "stated" there is alot of professionals even a lawyer that doesnt seem to no about it.
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...?JobID=2738343
Because a few people on this forum dont no about something, no1 should assume its a hoax normal people can find adverts and dig around for opportunities
on a good note...i still got my fingers corssed for friday to find out if i made it to the next stage
OTGLU yes that is the correct advertisement i found it on the Direct Gov website, you are the only one who found it, even though as "stated" there is alot of professionals even a lawyer that doesnt seem to no about it.
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...?JobID=2738343
Because a few people on this forum dont no about something, no1 should assume its a hoax normal people can find adverts and dig around for opportunities
on a good note...i still got my fingers corssed for friday to find out if i made it to the next stage
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kyyle, I don't know why you write like you write but it makes your postings very difficult to read.
I am far from perfect (I have the excuse of coming from a non english speaking country), but at least I try to make no mistakes.
Just switch on the spell checker and you'll be fine.
This industry is very small and there are only a few pilots with dreadlocks
so try to make the best impression you can.
Regarding listening to advise.
I wouldn't go so far and blame you for not listening what have been told here. Listen to people but make your own decisions. Its your life.
But live with the consequences and do not come back complaining if it turns out to be the wrong decision. You won't get a lot of warm words.
If I had followed all advises I heard during my last career move (gave up a secure flying job to move oversea), I wouldn't be where I am now.
And I am happy where I am now. (nearly... anybody has a job for me!?
)
I am far from perfect (I have the excuse of coming from a non english speaking country), but at least I try to make no mistakes.
Just switch on the spell checker and you'll be fine.
This industry is very small and there are only a few pilots with dreadlocks
so try to make the best impression you can.Regarding listening to advise.
I wouldn't go so far and blame you for not listening what have been told here. Listen to people but make your own decisions. Its your life.
But live with the consequences and do not come back complaining if it turns out to be the wrong decision. You won't get a lot of warm words.
If I had followed all advises I heard during my last career move (gave up a secure flying job to move oversea), I wouldn't be where I am now.
And I am happy where I am now. (nearly... anybody has a job for me!?
)
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Kyyle
We probably wish you'd mentioned the job centre thing earlier in this thread.
IF it's legit....IF......it's nonetheless unusual that this opportunity was not meted out to the helicopter industry but through a job centre......"The UK Government have now stopped career development loans for Pilots and with more pilots coming up to retirement"...
I'm not sure that makes any sense, as I understand it there are plenty of CPL(H)s looking for work...
This Senior Helicopters (anyone know them ??) could have opted to offer this opportunity to 2 existing PPL(H)s......and that would have saved them big bucks....
It still looks like a wrong'un to me
We probably wish you'd mentioned the job centre thing earlier in this thread.
IF it's legit....IF......it's nonetheless unusual that this opportunity was not meted out to the helicopter industry but through a job centre......"The UK Government have now stopped career development loans for Pilots and with more pilots coming up to retirement"...
I'm not sure that makes any sense, as I understand it there are plenty of CPL(H)s looking for work...
This Senior Helicopters (anyone know them ??) could have opted to offer this opportunity to 2 existing PPL(H)s......and that would have saved them big bucks....
It still looks like a wrong'un to me
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Yup - the only jobs mentioned on their website are for 80 potential helicopter valets - Kyle, you might find yourself cleaning helicopters for a few years to earn enough for the company to put you through pilot training
That will test your dedication and allow you to get private tuition to improve your English
That will test your dedication and allow you to get private tuition to improve your English
Please don't apologise at all. You were the only one to have actually found the relevant advert. My post was aimed at other posters in the thread who didn't bother to read your post and claimed that the whole process was a hoax.
I couldn't agree more.
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"Weren't they the outfit that appeared on here recently where you could register a sham company (allegedly) in order to avoid paying VAT on your training? I seem to remember that they were based somewhere in the Midlands."
"Yes. Read my post above. The owner of Senior Helicopters appeared on PPRuNe recently to justify his scheme to evade paying VAT on all training costs."
Bravo, I did read your posts my friend, you posed that question, rhetorical or not, but there was no further input on that angle
Looking at Senior Helicopters' website, they would appear to me to be brokers/middlemen.They don't even seem to have a base of operations etc.
Shall we cut the infighting and just try to get to the bottom of this together
"Yes. Read my post above. The owner of Senior Helicopters appeared on PPRuNe recently to justify his scheme to evade paying VAT on all training costs."
Bravo, I did read your posts my friend, you posed that question, rhetorical or not, but there was no further input on that angle
Looking at Senior Helicopters' website, they would appear to me to be brokers/middlemen.They don't even seem to have a base of operations etc.
Shall we cut the infighting and just try to get to the bottom of this together
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