Bell 505 Jet Ranger X

[whoknows idont]

Originally Posted by jeffg

It would seem that all the requirements for the eating of hat have been met. So stop with your never ending scope creep in an attempt to weasel your way out of it.

Come on, Jeff. Everybody knew that was an empty promise never to be kept!

[nigelh]

F1100 or whatever.....
You are a bad loser ! You were wrong on almost every statement you made ! And you are also wrong on the price ..... It was $1.075 at the start when I ordered it and there was a built in 3% price increase pa in the contract .
And guess what ? It is exactly that price !!
Keep some credibility here and just admit you were
...... WRONG !!!!! So easy !

[md 600 driver]

Originally Posted by nigelh

F1100 or whatever.....
You are a bad loser ! You were wrong on almost every statement you made ! And you are also wrong on the price ..... It was $1.075 at the start when I ordered it and there was a built in 3% price increase pa in the contract .
And guess what ? It is exactly that price !!
Keep some credibility here and just admit you were
...... WRONG !!!!! So easy !

Hi when does your 505 come ? Will it be on th n reg or g
Steve

[givdrvr]

Originally Posted by SuperF

I don't think that the 505 will effect the B206 market very much at all. They are in two totally different price brackets. Maybe there are a few people out there that have hung onto a 206 wanting to upgrade to new, not wanting a 66 or Airbus, but there wont be many.

The 206 still does what it says it will do, yes the 505 may be faster bigger and can lift more, but at 3-4 times the price of a good second hand 206...

Interesting...I think it would likely affect the market once it starts delivering in numbers. A brand new B505X turbine helicopter at 1.1M USD versus a 20 year old Bell 206-III with 50% component times asking 700K+ as I often see. Plus, new a/c tax depreciation benefits in the US.
I would think used inventory would start to build and depress used prices somewhat.

[nigelh]

I am probably going to put on the N as the less i have to do with the CAA the better and i cant see any benefits , just extra costs , by having it on the G .
I notice someone is keeping quiet about the price ......

[bellblade2014]

Very favorable article on the 505. Apparently this writer got to take one cross country into mountains in the hottest part of the year. The aircraft performed great. From the article;

"Is it all it's cracked up to be? The short answer to that is yes."


http://heliweb.realviewdigital.com/?iid=154096#folio=45

[FH1100 Pilot]

Hmm, a "pilot report" written and based evidently on the experience of an unrated pilot and a 14 year-old boy. The story is big on "Ooooh! Ahhhh!" fluff but short on hard numbers. I mean...long cross-country flight like that, you'd *THINK* that they might have come up with some accurate fuel consumption figures, no? I guess they were too busy playing with the G-1000. 14 year-old boys do like their toys.

Journalism: It ain't what it used to be :-/

[nigelh]

F1100 . You may have been a failure in your previous life as a helicopter designer/ engineer but don't let that turn you into one of those sad old grumpy men who hate others success. You are now , quite frankly , embarrassing so get a grip man !!! Maybe , just maybe , it is a good helicopter... Which would be nice !!

[southerncanuck]

This is the aircraft mentioned in the article, owned by the father of the 16yr old. Scott has a boat load of hours on all types, sold more helicopters than almost anyone i know, highly respected check pilot. We are working on the design of large long lens camera mounts. We are already getting a pretty steady stream of requests for a camera mount on the 505. Having had a very good look at the airframe up close, its solid.

[Hot and Hi]

Originally Posted by bellblade2014

Very favorable article on the 505. Apparently this writer got to take one cross country into mountains in the hottest part of the year. The aircraft performed great. From the article;

"Is it all it's cracked up to be? The short answer to that is yes."

Heliweb Magazine : Heliweb Magazine June 2017, Page 1

A glowing review indeed! But when I read sections like this, I not only deplore the absence of editorial scrutiny but also find that the author demolishes his credibility (page 52):

One of the comment during the Doing a max performance take-off in smaller helicopters, before you progress to the extra power offered by the second engine of a twin, requires paying close attention to the gauges as you climb out to ensure you keep your RPM's out of the red.

[nigelh]

Hot and High ...... That is very typical I'm afraid and good luck ever having any authority over the finished article !! I think it's a tad unfair to blame the pilot ! I do agree tho that it is important to keep the rpms out of the red !!!!

[Hot and Hi]

No, I am not blaming the author for the lack of editorial scrutiny.

But if Mr Mason thinks that once he graduates to twins, the second engine will give him extra power, he will be surprised to see that - pound for pound of engine weight and fueled carried - he got not twice the power, but half the power available.

And no, power management in a typical turbine is *not* about preventing RRPM from dropping, but about avoiding to exceed TRQ and TEMP limits.

I just don't see that he has the credibility to inform my opinion about Bell's new baby.

[muermel]

Has anyone received an update from Bell about EASA certification? Didn't get an answer from our customer rep last time I asked by eMail. We were told that "EASA certification is expected in July/ August this" year but that was 2 months ago. No news yet.

[muermel]

Got a response from bell a couple days ago. EASA certification is delayed so we won't get our 505 until January 2018 (Bell is EXPECTING to have the aircraft ready for delivery by January 2018). Original delivery date was July/ August 2017.

[Hot and Hi]

Ask Kurt Robinson how long this can take.

[muermel]

Originally Posted by Hot and Hi

Ask Kurt Robinson how long this can take.

Oh I'm no rush to trade our EC 120 for the 505. Probably won't be happening in January 2018 I would guess....

[helihub]

Ask Kurt Robinson how long this can take.

Not just "how long" but also "how much" - see this article from the time Kurt Robinson was tearing his hair out

[nigelh]

Just paid my second instalment on my 505 and done the spec . Very excited and am told it will arrive in June next year . I am also very pleased to see that the warranty has been changed to 3 years or 1,000 hours ..... Parts and labour !!! Have you noticed FH1100 has been very quiet for him ...... Maybe the lack of winglets which he guaranteed it would have .... And hasn't ... Pushed him over the edge or maybe he is still digesting his hat !!!!!!
I also hear that it has been performing amazingly on the training at Bell . Not going for synthetic vision etc as I see no need , especially at $46,000 !!! But I did go for the Frahms vibration kit which I am told makes high speed cruise silky smooth .

[Palma]

Bell Helicopter announced, on 21st December 2016, that the Bell 505 Jet Ranger X had been certified by the Transport Canada Civil Aviation (TCCA) and that they had received more than 400 Letters of Intent since the initial launch in 2014. On 8th June 2017, Bell Helicopter announced that the Bell 505 Jet Ranger X had been certified by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Does anyone know how many Bell 505 Jet Ranger Xs have now been delivered to customers?

[Self loading bear]

From Bell website
1 in March at Heli expo to Americain client (probably still on C reg.)
3 in June to 3 first Canadian customers

and perhaps 2 to Bell training acedemy for which Safran announced pbh service contract

Not to much, should pace up a bit by now?

Cheers SLB