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Old 14th Mar 2018, 16:35
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🎣!!!!!!! You came up like a fat old trout !! Only part I agree with is the extras , but they kept to $1.075m
+ 3% so a few thousand $ for the extras still makes it incredibly cheap .
But you know that . And I have had two pilots who I trust who have both said they cruised at 125 ... one said it was smooth and the other said there was a vibration.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 19:30
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Good 'ol FH just simply can't help himself

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Old 14th Mar 2018, 22:31
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FH says a two-blader can't go faster than 125kt?

Has he never been near a 222 or a Cobra?? Mind you, the speed increase requires a bit of fuel-to-noise conversion along the way.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 12:28
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I found a quick 2-blader, but I think that the NATOPS red line is a bit below max speed.

Maximum speed: 190 knots (218 mph, 352 km/h)
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I found another one. Mach 1+ with turbo-thrusters
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 14:30
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Didn't this guy do 270?

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Old 15th Mar 2018, 15:34
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Come on , don’t all pick on FH1100 .
The Bell figures of max cruise 128kn
is obviously just a mistake!
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 15:58
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To be fair that is like MD saying a 500 E max cruise is 135. Yup it will get there but you don't half know it, the ac just doesn't like it. My best D model will do 140 but eyes are watering and the fuel burn .... well might as well have a turbomeca in there
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 16:27
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nigel, as an old Phantom pilot told me:
Helicopter pilots arguing about their maximum speed is like hookers arguing about their virginity.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 18:08
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I definitely don't disagree with either of last two comments .... But there has to be a figure for max cruise ! So should there be two figures 1) Max possible cruise 2) Max comfortable cruise ??!! To be honest if it's 120knots and comfortable and economical I will be very happy ! I am flying one on 21st of this month so I will report back what the real figure is ( being a 505 Virgin !!)
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 20:42
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Long Skids

Are there any pictures of long skid versions yet?

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Old 16th Mar 2018, 03:33
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Nigel, be honest...if after your flight its not up to expectations, will you give an honest review about that? You have invested alot of money and pride in it, so i am skeptical you can be unbiased.
Helicopter reviews are much like movie reviews in reality.
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 04:44
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There was a Mirage pilot who sneered at helicopters :

"Let me know when they make one that has a maximum speed that is anywhere near my rotate speed."
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 06:29
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Hi Ascend Charlie, slightly off topic, but see this, all true!
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 10:18
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Gray .... actually I think I can be honest . I will just sell it on and take a turn ... but what else to buy ??
Now a 4 blade 6 place 505 would be nice !! ( maybe new cabin for the 407 ? )
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
FH says a two-blader can't go faster than 125kt?

Has he never been near a 222 or a Cobra?? Mind you, the speed increase requires a bit of fuel-to-noise conversion along the way.
I have flown the 214ST regularly at 130 to 140 KTs and THAT is a 2 bladed system helicopter. VNE if i recall is 160KTS.

JD
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 02:36
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nigelh, the problem with a new cabin for the 407, is they will probably make it as ugly as the 505...
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 13:18
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Possibly ... but I want a fast(ish) , cheap , reliable, powerful, comfortable Helicoper and quite frankly the looks are at the bottom of my list of requirements!! ( I actually quite like the look of the 505 , especially after extending the skids a bit ). So a 5-6 place 407 , with no broom cupboard, for around £1m new with 3 year warranty would be great!!!
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 22:39
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fair enough, but i don't think that they will make one.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 00:56
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Nigel, if you haven’t flown a 407, go have a drive.
You will be sold... 😏
Was always a B3 Squirrel fan, but the 407 is pretty good.
Only downside is the 206 seat...
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