Norwegian Air ambulance - nice balancing act !
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Norwegian Air ambulance - nice balancing act !
Hi,
A Norwegian air ambulance driver does a good balancing on a crash barrier :-) Big show off !!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca1_1367421798
A Norwegian air ambulance driver does a good balancing on a crash barrier :-) Big show off !!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca1_1367421798
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Air ambulance - nice balancing act !
I lose count some days of all the hover exit, toe in, front of one skid on a rock kinda landings I do in a day as a utility pilot in Canada. Especially on fires. Nothing new there.
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Not necessary. The 135's skids are fairly sturdy and for the curvature of that barrier to inflict any damage on the underside of the skid it would have needed to start bending first or there would have needed to have been some forwards or rear movement while in contact and which there really didn't seem to be.
Given the choice of landing as shown in the video or doing the far more boring but a little bit safer method of landing in an open area down the road a bit....I always opted for the boring way. But then....I am not a Hero Saving Lives kind of thinking guy.... just a Helicopter Pilot providing safe efficient medical transportation thinking kind of guy.
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you can break rules to save life as long as you can justify it later
The "We are saving lives" attitude kills people in the EMS business....on a regular basis!
you can break rules to save life as long as you can justify it later
SAS,
If you survive.....or do not kill someone in the process!
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Sasless, do me a favour! Every now and then a job requires a landing like this. We have a distinct lack of regular deaths in the UK, unlike the USA record. We don't go around killing people here. We sensibly risk assess and only do things when the risk is ACCEPTABLE. if I thought I might damage someone then it wouldn't happen. This doesn't mean we will never have any accidents, we just do not push crazy limits.
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Unless the photo is completely deceiving....just down the road in the back ground....the valley opens up and I would bet you a doughnut to a dog dropping (you can hold the stakes in your mouth if you wish) there is a common ordinary flat and open spot adjacent to the road where a normal landing could be made. The Patient could be transferred to that spot by ground and then air lifted to the Trauma Center.
If your Risk Assessment allows for a such a precarious landing....why even have such a system in place.
Otherwise....perhaps....you would have grasped the merit of not taking the risk of adding to the situation by pitching the helicopter into the middle of Emergency Crews at an already bad scene should something have go wrong with the landing.
Unless the photo is completely deceiving....just down the road in the back ground....the valley opens up and I would bet you a doughnut to a dog dropping (you can hold the stakes in your mouth if you wish) there is a common ordinary flat and open spot adjacent to the road where a normal landing could be made. The Patient could be transferred to that spot by ground and then air lifted to the Trauma Center.
If your Risk Assessment allows for a such a precarious landing....why even have such a system in place.
Otherwise....perhaps....you would have grasped the merit of not taking the risk of adding to the situation by pitching the helicopter into the middle of Emergency Crews at an already bad scene should something have go wrong with the landing.
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Here is the pilot's explanation, in Googlese translation:
Emergency Helicopter Landing
But county road was narrow, mountainside above steep. Wherefore helicopter crew think creatively:
In the video from a freelance photographer John Øysteinsberg can see how the helicopter barely put runners lie down crash barrier on the narrow county road, before the doctor jumps out and moves towards car wreck.
- What you see in the video, is about the same we do if we for example have to land on a rock in the mountains or on the cab roof. Sometimes we have to be creative to come up with the patients, said flight operations manager Erik Normann Air Ambulance to VG.
- To land on the barrier is not exactly the first thing you learn in pilot training. But that's why we have very high standards for who gets to be pilots with us. Norway has a challenging geography, that we experience every day, says Normann.
- Watch the video that there is some movement in the helicopter. That's because it blew quite fresh that day. And photographer as movies, is under the high-voltage wire. In addition, we must think about how close the patient we can land. There are some decisions that need to be taken quite quickly in such situations, says Amdal.
In the video from a freelance photographer John Øysteinsberg can see how the helicopter barely put runners lie down crash barrier on the narrow county road, before the doctor jumps out and moves towards car wreck.
- What you see in the video, is about the same we do if we for example have to land on a rock in the mountains or on the cab roof. Sometimes we have to be creative to come up with the patients, said flight operations manager Erik Normann Air Ambulance to VG.
- To land on the barrier is not exactly the first thing you learn in pilot training. But that's why we have very high standards for who gets to be pilots with us. Norway has a challenging geography, that we experience every day, says Normann.
- Watch the video that there is some movement in the helicopter. That's because it blew quite fresh that day. And photographer as movies, is under the high-voltage wire. In addition, we must think about how close the patient we can land. There are some decisions that need to be taken quite quickly in such situations, says Amdal.
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Google Maps 'Slåttavik' and I think it looks like that particular stretch of the 714. (could be wrong)
Mind you, this was just a drop off to get a doctor on scene wasn't it? It's not as if they were loading the patient, stretcher, medics & doc etc!
IMHO, even if there was a drop off point a mile or so down the road, the vital minutes it would have taken for the Doc to get on scene, could have made all the difference. ( 1 mile @ 3mph = 20 mins)
Yes they may have well been able to get a vehicle to pick him up from down the road, but we simply don't know basic facts such as whether comms were available etc etc.
I wasn't there, so without any further real information coming forth, I say....Well done
Oh yes;
Of course, there is, however...take a look at the wires going straight through that 'common ordinary flat and open spot adjacent to the road' 
Mind you, this was just a drop off to get a doctor on scene wasn't it? It's not as if they were loading the patient, stretcher, medics & doc etc!
IMHO, even if there was a drop off point a mile or so down the road, the vital minutes it would have taken for the Doc to get on scene, could have made all the difference. ( 1 mile @ 3mph = 20 mins)
Yes they may have well been able to get a vehicle to pick him up from down the road, but we simply don't know basic facts such as whether comms were available etc etc.
I wasn't there, so without any further real information coming forth, I say....Well done
Oh yes;
Unless the photo is completely deceiving....just down the road in the back ground....the valley opens up and I would bet you a doughnut to a dog dropping (you can hold the stakes in your mouth if you wish) there is a common ordinary flat and open spot adjacent to the road where a normal landing could be made.
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1.0 Mile at 60 MPH equals One Minute plus loading time......or even 2.0 minutes at 30 MPH.
Having done one skid rooftops at night on NVG's....it is not the difficulty of the maneuver that is in question....it is the Risk/Gain issue.
Please do remember very few EMS transfers (Damn Few actually) get done by helicopter at night in the UK....so just how critical is a few minutes in your system. If you discard the need for timeliness at Night...why get your knickers in a knot over a few minutes in the daylight?
( 1 mile @ 3mph = 20 mins)
Having done one skid rooftops at night on NVG's....it is not the difficulty of the maneuver that is in question....it is the Risk/Gain issue.
Please do remember very few EMS transfers (Damn Few actually) get done by helicopter at night in the UK....so just how critical is a few minutes in your system. If you discard the need for timeliness at Night...why get your knickers in a knot over a few minutes in the daylight?
According to Mataris link, the helicopter with emergency doctor arrived before the ambulance car! So it was eventually important for the patient to get quick access and drop the doctor in the shown manner.
The norwegian HEMS system is the same as p. e. in germany: Primary goal ist to get a doctor to the patient as fast as possible rather than bringing the patient to the doctor/hospital
skadi
The norwegian HEMS system is the same as p. e. in germany: Primary goal ist to get a doctor to the patient as fast as possible rather than bringing the patient to the doctor/hospital
skadi
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