UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
Crab,
There you go retreating behind your shell scarred wall of self righteous indignation. Hardly an insult more a comment made from observing this thread (I used the drone thread as there wasn’t one about Don Quixote).
It’s a done deal get over it. No matter how much you carp on about the minutia of the transition to the new operators, they will get there and they will do it because they have operators who are every bit as professional and dedicated to the task, if not as experienced, as you were. You have done your bit, thank you for that, you could still been part of it but you’re not. You should stop sniping from the cheap seats, given your background, the alternative is too sad to contemplate...... (with apologies to Wikapedia)
The Ingenious Gentleman Don Crab of La Mancha
It follows the adventures of a nameless QHI who reads so many of his own ACRs that he loses his sanity and decides to set out to revive the SARF, undo wrongs, and bring justice to the world, under the name Don Crab.
Don Crab, in the first part of the book, does not see the world for what it is and prefers to imagine that he is continuing to live out his own legend.
There you go retreating behind your shell scarred wall of self righteous indignation. Hardly an insult more a comment made from observing this thread (I used the drone thread as there wasn’t one about Don Quixote).
It’s a done deal get over it. No matter how much you carp on about the minutia of the transition to the new operators, they will get there and they will do it because they have operators who are every bit as professional and dedicated to the task, if not as experienced, as you were. You have done your bit, thank you for that, you could still been part of it but you’re not. You should stop sniping from the cheap seats, given your background, the alternative is too sad to contemplate...... (with apologies to Wikapedia)
The Ingenious Gentleman Don Crab of La Mancha
It follows the adventures of a nameless QHI who reads so many of his own ACRs that he loses his sanity and decides to set out to revive the SARF, undo wrongs, and bring justice to the world, under the name Don Crab.
Don Crab, in the first part of the book, does not see the world for what it is and prefers to imagine that he is continuing to live out his own legend.
When I see all the civsar flights stood up with all the capabilities required from the contract then I will happily accept that the job is complete - until then........
No you won't Don Crab.
Here is what is happening to reporting.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...atistics-index
The contents of that document is clearly total b0110ck5,
since the DfT/MCA don't tell anybody anything and they have been criticised for their appalling reporting of DfT SAR aircraft activity even in their own reports since at least 2001. 
We're not going to know when it is all working because nobody will be reporting what is happening.
There is something real to get your teeth into. Don't say I never give you anything. 
(Ah, Rescue 948 overhead as I type!) 
Here is what is happening to reporting.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...atistics-index
The contents of that document is clearly total b0110ck5,
since the DfT/MCA don't tell anybody anything and they have been criticised for their appalling reporting of DfT SAR aircraft activity even in their own reports since at least 2001. We're not going to know when it is all working because nobody will be reporting what is happening.
There is something real to get your teeth into. Don't say I never give you anything.
Jim, it comes as no surprise - with the military system, the RCS was monitored constantly and military flights completed a form R for every callout which was collated and distributed by the ARCCK.
We used it as a method for improving our operational capability.
The MCA flights were often disingenuous with their reporting on RCS (ROA for S92 for example) until challenged and no Forms R were required of them.
A transparent and accurate reporting system is the least the British public should expect from the new contract.
Perhaps I will have to rely on those within the system who have been ordered to keep such information under wraps..
Why on earth should we worry about such a secretive approach to fulfilling a major government contract.......
MCA = not fit for purpose.
We used it as a method for improving our operational capability.
The MCA flights were often disingenuous with their reporting on RCS (ROA for S92 for example) until challenged and no Forms R were required of them.
A transparent and accurate reporting system is the least the British public should expect from the new contract.
Perhaps I will have to rely on those within the system who have been ordered to keep such information under wraps..
Why on earth should we worry about such a secretive approach to fulfilling a major government contract.......
MCA = not fit for purpose.
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When I see all the civsar flights stood up with all the capabilities required from the contract then I will happily accept that the job is complete - until then........
Your incessant whining is quite nauseating and makes me all edgy on a nice, relaxing Sunday morning.
Trouble is, my incessant whining seems to reflect the poor introduction of this contract so when they get it right I might stop........
If you went to your doctor and were told that due to government cutbacks you would only be seen by a 3rd year medical student but it should be OK in a while once he has finished his training - you might be a bit disappointed to say the least if you had a problem that needed the expert care you have come to rely on.
If you went to your doctor and were told that due to government cutbacks you would only be seen by a 3rd year medical student but it should be OK in a while once he has finished his training - you might be a bit disappointed to say the least if you had a problem that needed the expert care you have come to rely on.
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I note the MODS have locked the Search and Rescue at Lydd thread.
Any chance of doing the same to this one because the reason for locking the Lydd thread can be multiplied by a hundred here.
Any chance of doing the same to this one because the reason for locking the Lydd thread can be multiplied by a hundred here.
Deiseldo - you're not another one who works in the new service that doesn't like awkward questions about contract delivery are you?
So you don't think that the poor implementation of a govt contract should be challenged or commented on at all?
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Mods .....
..... please don't lock this thread. It is a constant source of amusement and helps to lighten my day when I am looking for the latest rock to be thrown by Crab and the riposte from his victims who just don't seem to get it.
No one can deny that Crab's comments are justified and the correct way to deal with them is to either:
a. ignore them
b. fix the shortcomings he draws attention to and be open and frank about this important public service contract.
In the end we may have to admit that the military did it better but it wouldn't be difficult to show that they were subsidised one way or another by a very 'fat' military machine. That will not diminish one iota the excellent service the current lads and lasses will deliver.
Nit-picking aside the nation will have the service it can afford. There may be some shortcomings when measured against the detail of the contract but this is early days and I am sure that the situation over the next 50 years will improve as lessons are learnt. Per Ardua etc......
G.
No one can deny that Crab's comments are justified and the correct way to deal with them is to either:
a. ignore them
b. fix the shortcomings he draws attention to and be open and frank about this important public service contract.
In the end we may have to admit that the military did it better but it wouldn't be difficult to show that they were subsidised one way or another by a very 'fat' military machine. That will not diminish one iota the excellent service the current lads and lasses will deliver.
Nit-picking aside the nation will have the service it can afford. There may be some shortcomings when measured against the detail of the contract but this is early days and I am sure that the situation over the next 50 years will improve as lessons are learnt. Per Ardua etc......
G.
And with closing in on half a million views it is obviously not popular.
The earliest closing date should be 1 July 2017 when Portland will have closed and Stornoway will have changed over.
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If you read the thread, the OP made a valid case for the closing.
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Just a quick word on the closure of the Lydd thread if you guys don’t mind.
I was the originator, and I became very saddened at the way certain people were starting to hi-jack it and use it to their own repetitively argumentative ends. I asked if closure could be considered and it was – thank you very much to the Mods for doing that.
What I objected to is well illustrated in this current thread. A small group go round in circles, none wanting to give way to the opinions of others. Some of the points raised could possibly be better dealt with by PM and then it wouldn’t let those contributors come over as bores in their posts.
Manchester United can fill their stadium with 58,000 people for a wendyball match and every one of those people know more about the game and can see every incident better than the referee on the pitch. Here, we have a clique who grind away and it appears, are doing much the same.
The end result is that with this Lydd thread hi-jack as one recent example and what I perceive as a decline in language (swearing) standards on the site, that’s me and PPRuNe done. I’m interested in the SAR side of our coastal life, but have no interest in reading about it on a forum where frankly, a couple of people need to get a room for the night and sort things out between themselves.
Not to worry, I won’t be missed!
(Sniff…)
I was the originator, and I became very saddened at the way certain people were starting to hi-jack it and use it to their own repetitively argumentative ends. I asked if closure could be considered and it was – thank you very much to the Mods for doing that.
What I objected to is well illustrated in this current thread. A small group go round in circles, none wanting to give way to the opinions of others. Some of the points raised could possibly be better dealt with by PM and then it wouldn’t let those contributors come over as bores in their posts.
Manchester United can fill their stadium with 58,000 people for a wendyball match and every one of those people know more about the game and can see every incident better than the referee on the pitch. Here, we have a clique who grind away and it appears, are doing much the same.
The end result is that with this Lydd thread hi-jack as one recent example and what I perceive as a decline in language (swearing) standards on the site, that’s me and PPRuNe done. I’m interested in the SAR side of our coastal life, but have no interest in reading about it on a forum where frankly, a couple of people need to get a room for the night and sort things out between themselves.
Not to worry, I won’t be missed!
(Sniff…)
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Thanks P6. Obviously the Mod can't see the similarity.
"So you don't think that the poor implementation of a govt contract should be challenged or commented on at all?"
Didn't say that or even think it.
As one thread closes another thread opens.
"So you don't think that the poor implementation of a govt contract should be challenged or commented on at all?"
Didn't say that or even think it.
As one thread closes another thread opens.
P6 - actually you will be missed, personally I think all contributions are valuable, even those that use me as a duty target (not that you did)
I think criticism of the contract is valid in the context of Lydd - the base is late standing up (Wattisham have been extended twice to cover) and the NVG capability is still in question as they work hard to get crews qualified.
Notice that I didn't get an answer regarding UKSAR standby readiness being compromised - that is very pertinent and we should be having the debate in public and not behind closed doors - no-one HAS to read this thread, they can always ignore it if they don't like what is written.
If I come across as a stuck record it is because the issues haven't gone away.
I think criticism of the contract is valid in the context of Lydd - the base is late standing up (Wattisham have been extended twice to cover) and the NVG capability is still in question as they work hard to get crews qualified.
Notice that I didn't get an answer regarding UKSAR standby readiness being compromised - that is very pertinent and we should be having the debate in public and not behind closed doors - no-one HAS to read this thread, they can always ignore it if they don't like what is written.
If I come across as a stuck record it is because the issues haven't gone away.