UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
But, as anyone who has done searches at night will tell you, NVG is the only way to safely fly the aircraft and give good search coverage.
FLIR isn't light amplification, it uses a different part of the EM spectrum and is often useless when there is moisture in the air or when there is no thermal contrast.
Flares and external lighting are nigh on useless looking for a person, especially an injured one who may not be able to attract your attention.
What does work is a combination of NVG, white light and a back up of FLIR - nothing else will match the capability of the milSAR that is being replaced.
FLIR isn't light amplification, it uses a different part of the EM spectrum and is often useless when there is moisture in the air or when there is no thermal contrast.
Flares and external lighting are nigh on useless looking for a person, especially an injured one who may not be able to attract your attention.
What does work is a combination of NVG, white light and a back up of FLIR - nothing else will match the capability of the milSAR that is being replaced.
chute packer has hit the nail on the head. The MOD and UK PLC have been undone (again) by a contract with inherent weaknesses. Despite all the promises of a like-for-like or even better service that is simply not the case. Trying to provide effective overland SAR at night without a full NVG capability is, quite frankly, cuffing it. As proven by the number of times in recent history that the Lossie flight have been tasked into Stornoway's patch to complete rescues that could only be completed by having crews fully qualified to utilise NVGs.
And for those that see this as just another whinge all I say is that (so far) a UK SAR service has stood-up that does not fulfill the criteria of being equally capable as the one it is replacing. I hope this will not last long.
And for those that see this as just another whinge all I say is that (so far) a UK SAR service has stood-up that does not fulfill the criteria of being equally capable as the one it is replacing. I hope this will not last long.
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As proven by the number of times in recent history that the Lossie flight have been tasked into Stornoway's patch to complete rescues that could only be completed by having crews fully qualified to utilise NVGs.
The ARCC cherry picked the taskings for them...
It's amazing that we now have a S92 carrying out taskings that 137 would have and did turn down.
NIGHT VISION IMAGING SYSTEMS
The contract Technical Specification has requirements that can be met with the current state of technology only by using NVG. It has always appeared to me, from the first reading back in 2012, that the spec was written in an effort not to exclude appropriately capable alternative forms of technology that might develop between now and 2026.
Does the contractor have NVG for this new contract?
Yes.
How do I know?
Because I have been asking them specific questions about this for two years and all of the answers are consistent with the specifying, purchase, training and use of NVG.
How would I understand?
Partly because I can read so therefore I do: there is plenty info out there. Partly because I am a professionally qualified engineer. Partly because I am a user of night vision devices and have used a range of such devices during recent years.
Is it all going perfectly?
No. Inverness doesn't have the right aircraft and had its programmes further delayed by storm damage to its base. Other bases will be affected by aircraft and base problems that could contribute to training delays.
What is going on?
Well what do you think is going on? Read the ADS-B tracks same as I do and it will be pretty obvious.
“There is a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” (It is the duty of the rest of the crew to explain the last bit to the winchman.)
The contract Technical Specification has requirements that can be met with the current state of technology only by using NVG. It has always appeared to me, from the first reading back in 2012, that the spec was written in an effort not to exclude appropriately capable alternative forms of technology that might develop between now and 2026.
Does the contractor have NVG for this new contract?
Yes.
How do I know?
Because I have been asking them specific questions about this for two years and all of the answers are consistent with the specifying, purchase, training and use of NVG.
How would I understand?
Partly because I can read so therefore I do: there is plenty info out there. Partly because I am a professionally qualified engineer. Partly because I am a user of night vision devices and have used a range of such devices during recent years.
Is it all going perfectly?
No. Inverness doesn't have the right aircraft and had its programmes further delayed by storm damage to its base. Other bases will be affected by aircraft and base problems that could contribute to training delays.
What is going on?
Well what do you think is going on? Read the ADS-B tracks same as I do and it will be pretty obvious.
“There is a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” (It is the duty of the rest of the crew to explain the last bit to the winchman.)
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Shetlander
That was a rather inflammatory statement criticizing both the ARCC staff and the aircrew at Lossiemouth. I suggest that personal digs are not warranted on this thread, there has been enough mud slinging in the past.
I suggest that you substantiate your post or withdraw it.
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That was a rather inflammatory statement criticizing both the ARCC staff and the aircrew at Lossiemouth. I suggest that personal digs are not warranted on this thread, there has been enough mud slinging in the past.
I suggest that you substantiate your post or withdraw it.
Heads down, look out for the flak
Does the contractor have NVG for this new contract?
Yes.
Yes.
Shetlander - the ARCCK does NOT cherry-pick jobs
So, apparently the RAF had to do a transfer from the Isle of Wight last night of a sick child. Nothing unusual in that except that Lee on Solent would normally be expected to do that job.
Oh dear, it seems that Bristow won't fly anyone with meningitis Brave new world!
Oh dear, it seems that Bristow won't fly anyone with meningitis
Brave new world!
Oh dear, it seems that Bristow won't fly anyone with meningitis Brave new world!
Your bitterness is leaking again
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So, apparently the RAF had to do a transfer from the Isle of Wight last night of a sick child. Nothing unusual in that except that Lee on Solent would normally be expected to do that job.
Oh dear, it seems that Bristow won't fly anyone with meningitis Brave new world!
Oh dear, it seems that Bristow won't fly anyone with meningitis Brave new world!
India Juliet, 2301h - 2342h, IoW - Southampton General.
G-CGIJ - CHC Helicopter - Aircraft info and flight history - Flightradar24
And similar the night before.
G-CGIJ - CHC Helicopter - Aircraft info and flight history - Flightradar24
And similar the night before.
What's the matter Crab? Cat got your tongue for once
However Rescue 125 did do an overnight medtransfer from the IOW from Wattisham so there is some misinformation somewhere.
My own fault for posting on the outside of a few beers after a busy week.
Sorry Bristow.
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However Rescue 125 did do an overnight medtransfer from the IOW from Wattisham so there is some misinformation somewhere.
You would like to think that if it is true one of those would have been aware.
All great news for those living on the IoW that providers are queueing up to look after them.
However, since R125 doesn't lay an AIS or ADS-B track and since the ambulance service or ARCC are the ones who would know the full picture of IoW medevacs, and they will not be answering to pprune, let's leave this one.
However, since R125 doesn't lay an AIS or ADS-B track and since the ambulance service or ARCC are the ones who would know the full picture of IoW medevacs, and they will not be answering to pprune, let's leave this one.
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From my reliable sources, Wattisham did indeed transfer the child with meningitis from the IoW. The reason for this is the 139 is classed as an open cockpit aircraft (in so much as it is not suitably isolated from the cabin), and therefore the carriage of casualties with a contagious condition is prohibited. Not sure if this is applicable to the 189