UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
I'd be surprised if there were any actual limits for sloping ground in a civilian RFM - maybe a recommendation in the Ops manual.
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Oh dear - I was wrong - but not for the reason P3 automatically surmises
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No it's not. Landing in ad-hoc field locations on NVG in weather well below most operators' weather limits is somewhat challenging though.
The guys were a little caught out. Cut them some slack, most of us have been there if not somewhere close. I don't remember too many civvy SAR types jumping on Prune every time there was a slightly 'embarrassing' incident for military SAR.
I think people are getting a touch bored with the sour grapes from some quarters. Time to move on.
I don't think wet and windy is exclusive territory for SAR helos.
The guys were a little caught out. Cut them some slack, most of us have been there if not somewhere close. I don't remember too many civvy SAR types jumping on Prune every time there was a slightly 'embarrassing' incident for military SAR.
I think people are getting a touch bored with the sour grapes from some quarters. Time to move on.
Llamaman - not sure why you think it is sour grapes when I make a comment on something someone else has posted - perhaps you need to move on and revisit things I have posted with a slightly more open mind
Jim - pretty stat-tastic - excellent use of colour and pie charts
Jim - pretty stat-tastic - excellent use of colour and pie charts
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Crab,
I'm not sure if moving on and revisiting are compatible?
Llamaman - not sure why you think it is sour grapes when I make a comment on something someone else has posted - perhaps you need to move on and revisit things I have posted with a slightly more open mind
I'm not sure if moving on and revisiting are compatible?
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... ... Jim - pretty stat-tastic - excellent use of colour and pie charts
Yes, the DfT probably weren't sure if helicopter guys could do proper graphs and tables.
I'm not sure if moving on and revisiting are compatible?
Jim - no indication of training hours flown though?
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Jim - no indication of training hours flown though?
Some details like 'persons moved' that appeared in DASA reports are absent but not a great loss. The important thing is that reporting of key data about the work of DfT contractor SAR aircraft that has been absent since 1988 and criticised within the civil service and publicly since at least 1998 (NAO) is now to be regularly published in the public domain. Result!
The previous absence of public reporting has been widely and repeatedly criticised over the years. I can claim to have done my bit by raising the subject within the DfT/HMCG chain of command at up to AD level, with MPs, on the internet and in articles. What have you done about it Crab?
If you need more information Crab then please follow the instruction at the following address.
https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/official-information/
Jim, the remark about training hours was meant to be tongue in cheek - maybe I should have use a smiley.
No, DASA didn't publish training hours since we always had so many available it wasn't an issue.
Now that training is limited and all the stats are available, why shouldn't they also be in the public domain?
There are a contracted number of training hours for the new SAR service so it would be useful to know if they are being exceeded (because the crews need the training) and, if so, who is paying for them.
No, DASA didn't publish training hours since we always had so many available it wasn't an issue.
Now that training is limited and all the stats are available, why shouldn't they also be in the public domain?
There are a contracted number of training hours for the new SAR service so it would be useful to know if they are being exceeded (because the crews need the training) and, if so, who is paying for them.
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Latest news from the Cave Rescue Organisation. Pictures clearly show the side-slope, which must be very hard to judge from above, in the dark.
Helicopter Rescued | The Cave Rescue Organisation
Helicopter Away! | The Cave Rescue Organisation
Helicopter Rescued | The Cave Rescue Organisation
Helicopter Away! | The Cave Rescue Organisation
Yes, looks a lot more than 13 degrees!
It is difficult to judge, even in daylight, which is why you use your AI to assess when to abort the landing.
It is difficult to judge, even in daylight, which is why you use your AI to assess when to abort the landing.
Just out of interest, what is left of the RAF SAR Force has been rather busy lately.
RAF And Royal Navy In Dramatic Falklands Rescue | Forces TV
RAF And Royal Navy In Dramatic Falklands Rescue | Forces TV
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Agreed Crab, hard to put a number to it just by looking. 13 degrees sounds uncomfortably high for a side-slope - it's about 1 in 5.5
And I think I would have moved the crane before take-off!
And I think I would have moved the crane before take-off!
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"Just out of interest, what is left of the RAF SAR Force has been rather busy lately.
RAF And Royal Navy In Dramatic Falklands Rescue | Forces TV"
Just to add, Bristow were also involved with their S92 assets but didn't get a mention.
RAF And Royal Navy In Dramatic Falklands Rescue | Forces TV"
Just to add, Bristow were also involved with their S92 assets but didn't get a mention.