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If the guy isn't wearing his seat belt....he is a Safety Hazard....just as releasing the Seat Belt before landing. The Reason he is not wearing the belt is not the issue.....it is failing to comply with the Safety Rules that is the problem.
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Of course the pax is a safety hazard. That's why you check and if the seatbelt won't fit, he doesn't go. Understanding the reason is important. The man does it because he fears that if he can't go, he will be fired. When it comes to his livelihood, well, nothing bad ever happens while flying, right?
Reducing the overall weight of passengers is great for increasing productivity, and for reasons of safety, companies need to stipulate that passengers that fly offshore need meet specific size requirements. The pilot should be the last level of safety in this case, not the first.
Reducing the overall weight of passengers is great for increasing productivity, and for reasons of safety, companies need to stipulate that passengers that fly offshore need meet specific size requirements. The pilot should be the last level of safety in this case, not the first.
So provide seat belt extenders if that is your concern.
Are you suggesting for standardization sakes.....all Pax must weigh no more than 165 pounds or something?
Bit Orwellian that!
Are you suggesting for standardization sakes.....all Pax must weigh no more than 165 pounds or something?
Bit Orwellian that!
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North Sea Crewmen Honoured for Vos Sailor Rescue
BBC News - Vos Sailor North Sea death: Helicopter crew honoured
Vos Sailor crew member Joseph Laws, 50, from Hull, died when the vessel was damaged about 120 miles off Aberdeen on 15 December.
Other crew members had to be airlifted to safety from the stricken boat.
Bond winchman Andrew Cowx and winch operator Paul Walters have received an award.
The Billy Deacon Search and Rescue Memorial Trophy was established in memory of a Coastguard winchman who lost his life during the rescue of 10 crew members from the Green Lily off Shetland in November 1997.
Bond Offshore Helicopters managing director Luke Farajallah said: "Andrew and Paul displayed outstanding courage, composure and selflessness in the face of extremely challenging and hazardous conditions, and I can think of no more deserving winners of the trophy.
"Of course they are part of a broader team, and I would also like to commend Captain Graham Stein and co-pilot Nick Smalley for their part in this rescue."
Other crew members had to be airlifted to safety from the stricken boat.
Bond winchman Andrew Cowx and winch operator Paul Walters have received an award.
The Billy Deacon Search and Rescue Memorial Trophy was established in memory of a Coastguard winchman who lost his life during the rescue of 10 crew members from the Green Lily off Shetland in November 1997.
Bond Offshore Helicopters managing director Luke Farajallah said: "Andrew and Paul displayed outstanding courage, composure and selflessness in the face of extremely challenging and hazardous conditions, and I can think of no more deserving winners of the trophy.
"Of course they are part of a broader team, and I would also like to commend Captain Graham Stein and co-pilot Nick Smalley for their part in this rescue."
A bit defensive of obese people there SAS - just remind us how much you weigh?
Of course there has to be a limit to the max weight of a passenger, although its something we seem to overlook. The seats will have been designed and certified with a specific pax weight in mind for crashworthiness, perhaps its only 100kg? And they have to be able to get out in an emergency without excessively impeding others. And who wants to be sitting next to them?
Of course there has to be a limit to the max weight of a passenger, although its something we seem to overlook. The seats will have been designed and certified with a specific pax weight in mind for crashworthiness, perhaps its only 100kg? And they have to be able to get out in an emergency without excessively impeding others. And who wants to be sitting next to them?
The discussion is about a few folks voicing a personal opinion about others they consider too "large". The whole rant was based upon the cut in Pax because of the weight of one or two passengers.
It was not kicked off as a safety issue.
I will listen to Safety concerns but not some idiot whining about how many passengers they can carry.
Does this concern about "weight" apply to Pilots as well?
I would think, as someone has mentioned, that Big Boys should be an advantage in the 139 with its well known CG issues.
So where do you draw the line in the hyped up concern about weight?
As I noted....if it is a Safety issue....then it is a valid concern. If it is about numbers of passengers per flight because of weight....then that is a load of tripe!
if we were to limit people to 100 KG's.....how many weight lifters would that eliminate? Is that limit including the Survival Suit.....that again cuts down the weight? Is the seat limit of 100 Kg's adequate?
I submit there are plenty of folks out there that are very fit, but exceed the 100 KG limit....so where does that put them? Unemployable because of a quirk in their birth?
If we hire 90 pound Women....can we put them two to a seat?
That is how silly the original comment was as it was based on a silly idea.
It was not kicked off as a safety issue.
I will listen to Safety concerns but not some idiot whining about how many passengers they can carry.
Does this concern about "weight" apply to Pilots as well?
I would think, as someone has mentioned, that Big Boys should be an advantage in the 139 with its well known CG issues.
So where do you draw the line in the hyped up concern about weight?
As I noted....if it is a Safety issue....then it is a valid concern. If it is about numbers of passengers per flight because of weight....then that is a load of tripe!
if we were to limit people to 100 KG's.....how many weight lifters would that eliminate? Is that limit including the Survival Suit.....that again cuts down the weight? Is the seat limit of 100 Kg's adequate?
I submit there are plenty of folks out there that are very fit, but exceed the 100 KG limit....so where does that put them? Unemployable because of a quirk in their birth?
If we hire 90 pound Women....can we put them two to a seat?
That is how silly the original comment was as it was based on a silly idea.
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Back to the original premise about too much weight, I believe that we are trying to overturn a law of nature. Just like the sun rising in the east, no matter how big the helicopter, how much payload it can carry, how much baggage it can carry, the oil companies will always find ways to exceed those limits. No point in fighting mother nature.
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With all due respect both our nations contain some of the most obese people in the world. Scotland in particular has a real issue with health problems related to diet and lifestyle. The problem is getting worse and I am always amazed at the state of some passengers as they try to get in the aircraft having come up one set of stairs. If the oil companies can help with educating their staff, for whatever reason, it can only be good. This problem is costing us all a fortune and is a ticking time bomb. I would rather my tax was spent on real, unavoidable health issues other than those which a little self discipline can make go away.
With all due respect both our nations contain some of the most obese people in the world. Scotland in particular has a real issue with health problems related to diet and lifestyle. The problem is getting worse and I am always amazed at the state of some passengers as they try to get in the aircraft having come up one set of stairs. If the oil companies can help with educating their staff, for whatever reason, it can only be good. This problem is costing us all a fortune and is a ticking time bomb. I would rather my tax was spent on real, unavoidable health issues other than those which a little self discipline can make go away.
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Savoia Post #44
With due respect to overweight folks – coming under that category myself – Savoia’s post rightly recognises the award given to the Bond BP Jigsaw crew for their efforts during the Vos Sailor incident. Perhaps a separate thread would be appropriate allowing PPRUNE regulars an opportunity to say “Well done”.
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Regarding the large bloke sitting at the window/escape hatch;
BBC News - Size of offshore oil workers to be studied
BBC News - Size of offshore oil workers to be studied
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You ever tried sitting in the back of an L2 or 225 for two hours + more like one seat for two pax
Schiehallions Last Load?
Not strictly North sea But....
SULLOM Voe oil terminal is to receive its last shipment from the valuable Schiehallion oil field west of Shetland this week before it shuts down for a £3 billion upgrade.
Schiehallion?s last load? | Shetland News
SULLOM Voe oil terminal is to receive its last shipment from the valuable Schiehallion oil field west of Shetland this week before it shuts down for a £3 billion upgrade.
Schiehallion?s last load? | Shetland News
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Seems as if this weight issue is bigger than I first thought.
BBC News - Are North Sea oil workers getting too big?
BBC News - Are North Sea oil workers getting too big?
Shame to see the Loch Rannoch taking its last Schiehallion cargo. Having worked on the Loch Rannoch in a different life many years ago, always sad to see change, but with it brings new opportunities. Hopefully.
I used to watch the guys land on the deck of Schiehallion (ships etc) and wish I was doing it. Now I wish I wasn't!
Just joking. Wouldnt give this job up for the world.
As for passenger weights? we carry 12 pax offshore where I now work, and the pax can all weigh in, with bags, at under 2000lb!!! Try that in the North sea!
I used to watch the guys land on the deck of Schiehallion (ships etc) and wish I was doing it. Now I wish I wasn't!
Just joking. Wouldnt give this job up for the world.
As for passenger weights? we carry 12 pax offshore where I now work, and the pax can all weigh in, with bags, at under 2000lb!!! Try that in the North sea!
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