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Old 21st Nov 2014, 23:26
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If I were a gambling man etc- I would WAGER that the FINAL DECISION to buy the very poor Tiger and even poorer NH 90 was made by the Dept of Foreign Affairs (DFAT) and not any military person.

DFAT would have been MUCH more interested in redressing a balance of trade problem than giving the boys (and girls) on the frontline the best possible weapons.
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Japan picks MV-22 Osprey for tilt-rotor aircraft purchase

An MV-22 Osprey launches from the flight deck of amphibious assault ship USS Makin Island, while underway in the Pacific Ocean, Aug. 16, 2014.
Christopher Lindahl/U.S. Navy

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Published: November 21, 2014

CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — Japan’s Defense Ministry announced Friday it has selected the Bell Boeing MV-22 Osprey when they start procuring a helicopter-to-plane hybrid in fiscal 2015.

In July, Japan unveiled its five-year midterm National Defense Program Guidelines for fiscal 2014 and beyond, which included adding as many as 17 tilt-rotor aircraft by fiscal 2018. The guidelines said other aircraft were under consideration, but almost all of the alternative tilt-rotor platforms are still under development.

Used widely in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Marine Corps has flown Ospreys throughout Japan since September 2012, when they arrived — amid concerns over the aircraft’s safety record — to replace the CH-46E Sea Knight assault support helicopter.

There have been no incidents during that time, but the helicopter continues to be assailed by protesters on the southern island of Okinawa who oppose war, U.S. bases, Japan’s central government and perceived environmental threats.

Due to its increased capacity, speed and versatility, the Osprey has been called essential to the defense of Japan and in disaster relief operations.

The ministry also chose to add the Northrop Grumman E-2D early-warning and control aircraft and Global Hawk unmanned aerial vehicle.
Japan picks MV-22 Osprey for tilt-rotor aircraft purchase - News - Stripes
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MV-22 fires Advanced Precision Kill Weapons

Aviation Week & Space Technology December 2014 Magazine: Issue Contents

Osprey Fires Guided Rockets And Missiles In New Trials," Aviation Week (subscription required), 12/4: "As the U.S. Marine Corps pursues having both sensors and weapons on every aerial platform, the service has begun tests for arming the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor. Here, a V-22 fires a BAE Systems Advanced Precision-Kill Weapon System missile during trials at Yuma Proving Grounds, Arizona. Bell Helicopter photo."

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Old 8th Dec 2014, 17:06
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MV-22 fires Advanced Precision Kill Weapons
Aviation Week & Space Technology December 2014 Magazine: Issue Contents

Osprey Fires Guided Rockets And Missiles In New Trials," Aviation Week (subscription required), 12/4: "As the U.S. Marine Corps pursues having both sensors and weapons on every aerial platform, the service has begun tests for arming the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor. Here, a V-22 fires a BAE Systems Advanced Precision-Kill Weapon System missile during trials at Yuma Proving Grounds, Arizona. Bell Helicopter photo."


Interesting. Looks like a standard 7 shot LAU pod, but mounted farther forward that I would have guessed. I think I spot some protective covering on the forward edge of the landing gear sponson, likely to protect the sponson from rocket blast. Held on with mil spec "100MPH tape" perhaps?
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 17:15
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And on the Japanese buy, does anyone know if there will be Japanese workshare on these? Seems like they always use local production and licence building to some degree. Delievery timeline suggests a direct buy.

Perhaps this will this make the public and the media in Japan "hate" the aircraft a bit less.. (yes I understand the protests are all about US/USMC pressence)
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Old 10th Dec 2014, 00:15
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With the weight and drag from added equipment like this the V-22 is definitely going to need all 6100hp from the AE1107C block 3 upgrade.
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Old 11th Dec 2014, 19:16
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The "dead but alive" Israeli V-22 buy.

The confidential agreement was negotiated over two years between the Israeli MoD and the U.S. Navy International Programs Office, which would administer the sale because the Naval Air Systems Command runs the V-22 program. Israel would buy its Ospreys with U.S. Foreign Military Financing aid.
So Israel would not actually buy the Ospreys, the American taxpayer would.
Not so sure I care for that set up.
Sure, I am a fan of the Osprey, and would love to see the production line stay alive and warm.
But ... those are expensive aircraft.
Why the charity program?
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Old 11th Dec 2014, 20:08
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Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Hezbollah, and Hamas spring to mind.
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Old 11th Dec 2014, 20:20
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Lone, that's not news.

According to the newest 2014 US government funding bill the US is providing $3.1 billion in total aid for Israel plus $619.8 million in defense specific aid.

Rather the money be allocated "back" to the USA on US products than spent elsewhere on foreign defense items. A little "return on investment", if you will.
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Old 11th Dec 2014, 20:59
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We have given over Five Billion Dollars to the Palestinian Authority and giving more each Year. You reckon some of that money winds up being used for Terror Attacks against the Israeli's?
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 11:55
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Sans, I am aware that we've been the payers in an extortion scheme with Egypt and Israel since the Camp David agreements went final.
They agree not to go to war with each other, we agree to give each about 3 billion a year in aid.
So yeah, it's not news, but when anyone talks about "Israel buying V-22's" the truth of the matter is that they don't buy anything. As a US taxpayer, and given the tech transfer that Israel has committed in breach of our various agreements over the years, I ask whether or not the US taxpayer is not being taken for a ride.
Yes, most US foreign aid is spent within the shores of CONUS.

Back to the topic of the V-22: if it keeps the production line warm, maybe that is worth the extortion payment. Not sure.
Boudreaux Bob: Israel doesn't need a V-22 to deal with Hamas, Syria, or Iraq. They are doing nicely with the kit and people they currently have.
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 20:10
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They are doing nicely with the kit and people they currently have.
True Lone, but its a sad military that only focuses on one enemy. Like most of the majors, I am gathering they need to view pretty well everyone in the neighborhood.

Since "your" president has been encouraging his own form of middle east nation building those neighbors aren't exactly looking like they are on a positive trend.

And as its said, it keeps the line open.
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Lone,

You reckon the Iranian Military is not improving its capabilities?

Should the Israeli's not improve theirs considering the neighbors they have?
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 12:20
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At the risk of massive thread drift, the decades long debate about what share of a budget should be allocated for defense is any nation's to decide for itself. The quibbles over percent of GDP, percent revenues ... all of concern since the public coffers anywhere only hold so much.

Whose dime is being spent here? That's what has my eyebrows raised. It isn't the Israeli taxpayer and his representative who has to make an economic tradeoff. It is our taxpayer and our reps.

I'll stow further griping on this matter.
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Old 13th Jan 2015, 21:39
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Navy selects HV-22 for COD

Navy Decides to Buy V-22 Ospreys for Carrier Delivery « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

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Old 15th Jan 2015, 19:10
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I guess not a major surprise. All 3 contenders (V-22, C-2 re-do and Viking re-do) all had pros and cons. The Osprey lobby seems pretty well connected, and the F-35 enigine now looks like it will fit with a new container solution.

I see being able to land on each ship in a battle group, over the spoke and hub of C-2/helos, as being a definite plus. Speed is likely not that much off from the C-2. Range and cost may be...
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Old 4th Feb 2015, 05:25
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No V-22s, then No Bombing ISIS...

United Arab Emirates, Key U.S. Ally in ISIS Effort, Disengaged in December

By HELENE COOPER
FEB. 3, 2015

WASHINGTON — The United Arab Emirates, a crucial Arab ally in the American-led coalition against the Islamic State, suspended airstrikes against the Sunni extremist group in December, citing fears for its pilots’ safety after a Jordanian pilot was captured and who the extremists said had been burned to death, United States officials said Tuesday.
The United Arab Emirates are demanding that the Pentagon improve its search-and-rescue efforts, including the use of V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft, in northern Iraq, closer to the battleground, instead of basing the missions in Kuwait, administration officials said. The country’s pilots will not rejoin the fight until the Ospreys, which take off and land like helicopters but fly like planes, are put in place in northern Iraq.
The United Arab Emirates notified the United States Central Command that they were suspending flights, administration officials said, after First Lt. Moaz al-Kasasbeh of the Jordanian Air Force was captured when his plane went down near Raqqa, Syria. A senior American military official said Islamic State militants “grabbed” Lieutenant Kasasbeh “within just a few minutes.” He added, “There was no time for us to engage.”
But United Arab Emirates officials questioned the American military about whether rescue teams would have been able to reach Lieutenant Kasasbeh even if there had been more time to do so, administration officials said.
In a blunt exchange last week in Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates’ foreign minister, Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, asked Barbara Leaf, the new American ambassador, why Central Command, in his country’s view, had not put proper assets in northern Iraq for rescuing downed pilots, a senior administration official said.
“He let her have it over this,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the issue. It was Ms. Leaf’s first courtesy call on the foreign minister.
The exchange followed a month of disputes between American military officials and their counterparts in the United Arab Emirates, who have also expressed concern that the United States has allowed Iran to play a growing role in the fight against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS and ISIL.
A spokesman with Central Command declined to comment.
The divide between the United States and the United Arab Emirates is significant because the country has been the United States’ most stalwart Arab ally in the fight against the Islamic State. The country, a collection of oil-rich principalities, conducted more missions in the beginning of the air war than any other member of the international coalition. Its collection of F-16s attacked the militants in northern Iraq and Syria from the Al Dhafra air base in the United Arab Emirates...
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Search And Rescue: Arab Ally In Fight Against ISIS Demands U.S. Deploy V-22 Osprey

Something unusual happened in December, shortly after a Jordanian fighter pilot whose plane had crashed was captured by ISIS militants in Syria. The United Arab Emirates, an early participant in the anti-ISIS bombing campaign, told Washington it would cease air operations until the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor was deployed nearby to conduct search-and-rescue operations when pilots were downed. As Helene Cooper reported in the New York Times on February 3, “The country’s pilots will not rejoin the fight until the Ospreys, which take off and land like helicopters but fly like planes, are put in place in northern Iraq.”
The Emirates have now apparently relented in their demand, but the insistence of their government that the V-22 is specially suited to conducting combat search and rescue will be remembered — and not just because the demand threatened to unravel Washington’s carefully crafted coalition of regional partners in the campaign to take down the jihadists. The world’s first production tilt-rotor is gradually becoming a global standard for tactical flexibility, eclipsing more conventional rotorcraft that lack the speed, reach and versatility to perform diverse military missions.
This is quite a transformation for a program that defense secretary Dick Cheney spent four years trying to kill when the Cold War ended. Cheney managed to do in a hundred weapons programs – everything from the B-2 bomber to the Seawolf submarine — but he didn’t succeed in terminating the Osprey because its was steadfastly defended in each budget cycle by the Marines and a handful of dedicated Congressmen (most notably Curt Weldon of Pennsylvania). Today, that perseverance is paying off as U.S. military services and overseas allies increasingly embrace the V-22 with an enthusiasm seldom exhibited for other programs.
In January, BreakingDefense.com revealed the Navy would retire its existing fixed-wing planes for delivering time-critical supplies to aircraft carriers at sea, opting instead for the Osprey because it could fly directly to all the warships in the fleet, saving time and money. Also in January, Japan’s parliament approved a defense budget that would make that Asian ally the first foreign customer for the Osprey — a path that Israel is expected to follow too after March elections. The Emirates are also a likely customer. Past experience indicates that when these three countries want a particular U.S. weapon system, other allies will too.
(Disclosure: V-22 co-producers Bell Textron and Boeing contribute to my think tank.)

What makes the Osprey different – unique, in fact – is that it combines the speed and range of a fixed-wing turboprop with a helicopter’s ability to land anywhere. That means it is inherently more capable than either a plane or a helicopter in conducting missions such as search and rescue. Compared with the helicopters normally used for rescue missions, it can fly much farther on a single tank of fuel, and its cruising speed is a hundred miles faster. So of course military leaders in the Emirates thought it was a good match for the harrowing task of retrieving downed pilots in ISIS-held territory. The Air Force used CV-22B Ospreys last year for an attempted rescue of hostages in Syria, and Marines used MV-22B Ospreys in 2011 to retrieve downed pilots in Libya.
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The Marine MV-22B Osprey is the first production tilt-rotor ever. The Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps are all buying versions of the versatile airframe. (Retrieved from Wikimedia)

After successful initial deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, the Marines now use the Osprey routinely whenever Amphibious Ready Groups are dispatched to regional hot spots such as the Middle East. They say tilt-rotors have transformed expeditionary operations, multiplying the productivity of units while enabling missions that previously would not have been feasible. Air Force special operators say much the same thing, although they are somewhat more circumspect since so many of their missions are secret. As V-22s have spread across the force, operational readiness rates have gradually increased to above the Navy’s targeted 85% while costs per hour have fallen — the typical profile of a successful program.

But Osprey is hardly typical: despite the danger and diversity of the missions it executes, the Marines now rate it as the safest rotorcraft in their fleet. A series of design features make it less likely than conventional helicopters to experience catastrophic accidents, and less likely to kill occupants on the rare occasions when such accidents occur. Its speed and maneuverability also contribute to the safety of passengers, enabling it to evade hostile fire more readily than other rotorcraft. And the pivoting rotors at the tips of its wings don’t just deliver speed and vertical agility — they can be pivoted over 90 degrees, permitting the airframe to fly backwards. No other aircraft in the world affords so many options for maximizing maneuverability and safety.

The Marines are currently developing a roll-on/roll-off tanking capability that will permit Osprey to refuel fighters in the air and ground vehicles at forward operating locations. After that, the next refinement likely will be the addition of lightweight missiles to the V-22′s armaments, so that troops on board do not need to rely on slower helicopter gunships for protection. The munitions most likely to be used are a precision-guided version of the Hydra rocket manufactured by BAE Systems or Raytheon’s Griffin missile. Further modifications are probable as the joint force tests the full potential of tilt-rotor technology.
Once you grasp the full functionality of the V-22 Osprey, the insistence on its in-theater deployment by Emirates leaders is not hard to understand. The Marine Corps dream of game-changing tactical flexibility has been realized, and the rest of the world has begun to take notice. It is just a matter of time before other allies get on board the program, because this is one form of tactical air power that no other aircraft can match.
Search And Rescue: Arab Ally In Fight Against ISIS Demands U.S. Deploy V-22 Osprey - Forbes

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The UAE settled for more Blackhawks - US moves more helicopters to Erbil despite protests from Baghdad

US moves more helicopters to Erbil despite protests from Baghdad By RUDAW 6/2/2015


WASHINGTON - The United States has sent a number of Black Hawk helicopters to Erbil this week, enabling quicker rescue missions, after insurgents killed a downed Jordanian pilot by burning him alive.


“The rescue teams and aircraft — or their lack — would apply as well to the recovery of any downed American pilots flying missions over Iraq and Syria,” the New York Times reported on Thursday.


According to the Times report, the positioning of the helicopters followed a demand by the United Arab Emirates (UAE) -- which is a member of the anti-Islamic State (ISIS) coalition – that “the United States put in place a more effective search-and-rescue system in northern Iraq, closer to the battleground, instead of basing aircraft for such missions much farther south in Kuwait.”


Following the capture of Jordanian pilot Mouath al-Kasasbeh in Syria in December, who was shown being burnt alive in an ISIS video this week, the UAE suspended its combat missions over Iraq.


“When United Arab Emirates officials discovered that most of the rescue teams and aircraft were based in Kuwait, they said that their pilots would not fly until there was a system in place for more rapid search and rescue,” wrote the Times.


The report said that the US Central Command has notified UAE officials “that they had sent additional rescue helicopters and crew members to Erbil.”


The newspaper quoted a senior US official as saying, “American officials had been trying to navigate around resistance from the Iraqi government, which has objected to Erbil as the location of American helicopters and V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft, which take off and land like helicopters but fly like planes.”


“The Iraqi government has expressed concerns that placing sophisticated American weaponry in Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, could embolden the Kurds’ ambitions for independence from Iraq,” the newspaper wrote.


The US and other Western countries such as Britain, Germany and Canada have set up military bases in the Kurdistan Region, training Kurdish forces on advanced weapons in their fight against ISIS.


Late last month the Pentagon announced the opening of its fourth training camp in Iraq outside Erbil to train 100 Peshmerga soldiers.


In addition, senior Kurdish officials have repeatedly complained that Baghdad has been sluggish in delivering international humanitarian and defense aid to the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG).
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Two more months until there are no more Phrogs:

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