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G'day cooperplace.............thank You Sir, my goal is being Safe - always 
Highest is 28,800' filming 
ICING....Naaaar just stay away from moisture @ 4º & below & Your laughing 
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Hoy there gulliBell....exactly Korrekt Mate; bleed-air cabin heating & demisting screen (of sorts) + Pitot tube heater (great for Kids & Adults alike, to swing off after You shut down but leave the Pitot heater ON
) Yep it's an optional extra (bad luck) to seek out & enter icing conditions 
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Hello heliduck...........apparent not; I'm still searching for that extra switch
Highest is 28,800' filming ICING....Naaaar just stay away from moisture @ 4º & below & Your laughing =========
Hoy there gulliBell....exactly Korrekt Mate; bleed-air cabin heating & demisting screen (of sorts) + Pitot tube heater (great for Kids & Adults alike, to swing off after You shut down but leave the Pitot heater ON
) Yep it's an optional extra (bad luck) to seek out & enter icing conditions +++++++++
Hello heliduck...........apparent not; I'm still searching for that extra switch
#5220. Invokes memories of serious pucker factor stuff for yours truly hauling stuff swinging in the breeze on a hook in PNG. They would never find you if the donk quit.
#5221. I guess only 2 questions:
(a). Do we lift it back up to where it should have been in the first place? Or
(b). Do we just push it off the roof?
#5221. I guess only 2 questions:
(a). Do we lift it back up to where it should have been in the first place? Or
(b). Do we just push it off the roof?
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Lucky young man and it will be interesting to see the Helipad CCTV footage to see what actually happened. Falling off to the side of the pad was a blessing - off the back and it would have been all the way down to the car park.
Reported thus:
Caan Director General Sanjiv Gautam said the helicopter slipped at the final approach to the helipad of the hospital at around 2:38 pm. The chopper with call sign 9N-ALR fell some 10 feet below the helipad when it was approaching from East. The helicopter has sustained damages on its left and on its rotors.
The chopper flown by Captain Hareram Thapa was planning to ferry a medical team to Bharatpur in Chitwan. It was Thapa’s second flight of the day.
As the tin roof is relatively undamaged, I wonder how low Nr was already before it skidded of the side.
Perhaps skidded onto the “fence” and then dynamic roll over at shutting down engine?
SLB
Perhaps skidded onto the “fence” and then dynamic roll over at shutting down engine?
SLB
Very little damage evident on the safety netting, so fair bet it never had the weight of the helicopter on it. Fair chance I reckon he just had an oopsie moment and came in short.
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Chatting to a few guys yesterday who had spoken to the pilot sounds like he was directly over the pad centre in a high hover descending when there was a sudden change of circumstances and it all went wrong from there. It will be interesting to see if they find a technical issue during investigation, which does not explain why he did not make the pad, but will confirm the pilots side of events.
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Hi VF, have you seen this article on "unnecessary-rescues-soar-in-nepal-on-profits-from-insurance-payouts"?
Is this true and if so does it affect your operations? For an operator the more flying the better, but when there is going to be a clamp-down obviously it is not welcomed. To what degree is the operator/pilot put on the spot with regards to certifying that the flight was warranted?
Is this true and if so does it affect your operations? For an operator the more flying the better, but when there is going to be a clamp-down obviously it is not welcomed. To what degree is the operator/pilot put on the spot with regards to certifying that the flight was warranted?
VF can do whatever he wants. But on an elevated heliport, you land within the Touchdown/Positioning marking - otherwise known as the yellow circle with the H painted in the middle of it. With the pilot seat positioned anywhere over the TD/PM the undercarriage is assured to be within the load bearing area of the helideck. That's how they design them.
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Chatting to a few guys yesterday who had spoken to the pilot sounds like he was directly over the pad centre in a high hover descending when there was a sudden change of circumstances and it all went wrong from there. It will be interesting to see if they find a technical issue during investigation, which does not explain why he did not make the pad, but will confirm the pilots side of events.
You can Do a steeper than normal approach, but you should always see the landing spot between your feet, so in case anythings goes bollocks, you know where to aim for.... - its the only spot available.....
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G'day gulliBell..........good question Mate 
'slipped, whaaaat.the F? - SLIPPED' sheet.hey I guess some rouge Monkeys did a runner from the Monkey temple to go for a leisurely picnic with a great view (Grande H)...following their rowdy partying they'd left their Banana peels up there, which shockingly caused the slip
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Hoy evil7....if a Pilot carries out a proper landing (lever fully down to the floor) then tests/proves ground stability; then that will save machines falling over & if the TR is safely outa the way, saves Lives too (double bonus)
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Hey there Self loading bear.................think I'll go with the Monkeys leaving Banana peel story
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G'day gulliBell....thanks for that, I designed the Grande Hospital Helideck, visited a dozen times during construction, was first to test it & landed there over 300 times on her, I can assure You the weight bearing properties are even throughout the entire deck structure & not stronger inside the yellow circle or rather yellow square it this case
You can still land inside the yellow landing area with the TR overhanging away from over excited relatives & nurses running around the machine...safer that way 
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Hello Bhutan_H130.................please contact the operators & insurance companies for more info, I cannot comment on this topic
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Hey evil7.......please explain to me Sir how exactly to land? I guess after 40,000+ successful landings I still need some serious learnin'
Thanks in advance for Your advice
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Namaste Flying Bull.....good points Sir! Actually I also cannot understand why You'd arrive so high in a HOGE, certainly won't work on a tiny pinnacle pad above 20,000' - crazy.Man.crazy
'slipped, whaaaat.the F? - SLIPPED' sheet.hey I guess some rouge Monkeys did a runner from the Monkey temple to go for a leisurely picnic with a great view (Grande H)...following their rowdy partying they'd left their Banana peels up there, which shockingly caused the slip +++++++++
Hoy evil7....if a Pilot carries out a proper landing (lever fully down to the floor) then tests/proves ground stability; then that will save machines falling over & if the TR is safely outa the way, saves Lives too (double bonus)
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Hey there Self loading bear.................think I'll go with the Monkeys leaving Banana peel story
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G'day gulliBell....thanks for that, I designed the Grande Hospital Helideck, visited a dozen times during construction, was first to test it & landed there over 300 times on her, I can assure You the weight bearing properties are even throughout the entire deck structure & not stronger inside the yellow circle or rather yellow square it this case
You can still land inside the yellow landing area with the TR overhanging away from over excited relatives & nurses running around the machine...safer that way +++++++++
Hello Bhutan_H130.................please contact the operators & insurance companies for more info, I cannot comment on this topic
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Hey evil7.......please explain to me Sir how exactly to land? I guess after 40,000+ successful landings I still need some serious learnin'
Thanks in advance for Your advice +++++++++
Namaste Flying Bull.....good points Sir! Actually I also cannot understand why You'd arrive so high in a HOGE, certainly won't work on a tiny pinnacle pad above 20,000' - crazy.Man.crazy
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Hallo VF,
you misunderstood me there. I was being sarcastic to gullibells advice to always Land within the circle of an elevated helipad. I am more on your side with keeping the TR safe. Especially in your environment.
Always happy landings😉
you misunderstood me there. I was being sarcastic to gullibells advice to always Land within the circle of an elevated helipad. I am more on your side with keeping the TR safe. Especially in your environment.
Always happy landings😉
In support of gulliBell's statement with a slight correction.
On a correctly marked heliport (i.e. in accordance with ICAO Annex 14 Part II):
Having the pilot on the touchdown/positioning marker (i.e. the (yellow) touchdown positioning circle (TDPC) or other 'defined' marking) serves two purposes. It ensures that:
1. the undercarriage is within the load bearing area (TLOF); and,
2. all parts of the helicopter are clear of obstacles (FATO).
That does not necessarily mean the wheels/skids are within the TDPC – the minimum size of the TLOF plus the attributes of the TD/PM are designed to ensure that element 1. is achieved.
Further; the obstacle limitations ensure that the undercarriage is protected within the TLOF and other moving parts are protected within the FATO.
Not being correctly positioned negates these assurances.
Jim
On a correctly marked heliport (i.e. in accordance with ICAO Annex 14 Part II):
Having the pilot on the touchdown/positioning marker (i.e. the (yellow) touchdown positioning circle (TDPC) or other 'defined' marking) serves two purposes. It ensures that:
1. the undercarriage is within the load bearing area (TLOF); and,
2. all parts of the helicopter are clear of obstacles (FATO).
That does not necessarily mean the wheels/skids are within the TDPC – the minimum size of the TLOF plus the attributes of the TD/PM are designed to ensure that element 1. is achieved.
Further; the obstacle limitations ensure that the undercarriage is protected within the TLOF and other moving parts are protected within the FATO.
Not being correctly positioned negates these assurances.
Jim
Well, I did say the pilot seat needs to be over the TD/PM...I didn't say that the undercarriage had to be in the yellow. With the pilot seat positioned over the TD/PM, wherever the undercarriage happens to end up will be in the certified load bearing area of the helideck, by design. But as VF mentioned, it was designed and built in excess of that criteria. So hang the tail over if you wish, avoiding any slippery bananas skins left by errant monkeys otherwise the whole shooting match might end up over the side.