Don't let Bagby Airfield be closed by a bunch of antis
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Don't let Bagby Airfield be closed by a bunch of antis
Bagby Airfield has been serving the north for many years . Private flights , military , the business community, jockeys and owners and also HEMS . I remember flying my old Bell 47 in for fuel when I was a lad .."a great old fashioned uniquely British airfield .......not if the council have anything to do with it ......dark forces are at hand and they are using every trick in the book to try to close it for ever . New residents who bought in the full knowledge of the airport are complaining of the noise of maybe half a dozen movements a day .
There is an appeal is being heard at 10 am Tuesday 22 May at Hambleton District Council and you can fly into Bagby and get a lift . ( I will be flying in to help give the councillors a black eye ...)
If you cannot go please just take 2 mins to represent the flying community and give your support ... It only takes a minute and one day you may be very pleased to have Bagby to divert to or get fuel .....
Slowly but surely all our little country airfields are being closed down and soon we will have no choice but to go into the bigger airports for fuel ....wear their stupid little yellow jackets to make them feel like they are Heathrow , walk miles to pay , go through security etc
Send a short letter of support to [email protected] and they will forward it to the council .
Anyone who turns up can do a barrel roll with me in the 109 after a fat boy breakfast
Don't be typical aviation types and do nothing ..... Look at the CAA ...!!!
There is an appeal is being heard at 10 am Tuesday 22 May at Hambleton District Council and you can fly into Bagby and get a lift . ( I will be flying in to help give the councillors a black eye ...)
If you cannot go please just take 2 mins to represent the flying community and give your support ... It only takes a minute and one day you may be very pleased to have Bagby to divert to or get fuel .....
Slowly but surely all our little country airfields are being closed down and soon we will have no choice but to go into the bigger airports for fuel ....wear their stupid little yellow jackets to make them feel like they are Heathrow , walk miles to pay , go through security etc
Send a short letter of support to [email protected] and they will forward it to the council .
Anyone who turns up can do a barrel roll with me in the 109 after a fat boy breakfast
Don't be typical aviation types and do nothing ..... Look at the CAA ...!!!
Last edited by nigelh; 24th Apr 2012 at 07:12.
.. wear their stupid little yellow jackets ..
By the way, one should question the sincerity of these safety elves .. I mean they validate these colourful vests based on their ability to 'expose' the wearer to greater visibility - all good and well. But the next logical step, surely, would be for them to insist that those walking about airside should don a flashing beacon upon their head for not only would the beacon's visibility be aided by being mounted at the highest point of the 'object' but it would provide even greater warning and awareness than the colourful vest.
We have already seen that looking hideous is a non-issue for the safety elves so, logically, the head-mounted flashing beacon should pose little problem in terms of implementation!
Those wandering airside should (if one follows the importance of 'visibility' to its logical conclusion) be made to don flashing lights upon their heads and which, with the wonderful high-vis vests, will complete the airside-ensamble
Back to Bagby ..
Nigel I do wish you the best with this fight. It is indeed sad to see some of the smaller airfields being closed.
Paul Smith's Agusta built Bell 47G-4A G-GGTT sails into Nigel's Bagby Airfield (Photo: Malcolm Clarke)
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Further to Nigel's post - Thanks Nigel - Please include your postal address and a contact telephone number when submitting your support to the [email protected] address. We'll hold these personal details only until your support has been registered on the online planning portal (we can't submit your support without these details). Thank you for the support received so far ! But please KEEP IT COMING !!
OR you can go straight to the planning portal if you wish by following this link:
Case Summary for APP/G2713/C/11/2165522
Please copy this link and send it to everyone in your address book who is pro-aviation
(Why would you have anyone in your address book who wasn't !!!)
Thank again for rallying round us.
Steve. Airfield Manager Bagby - EGNG.
OR you can go straight to the planning portal if you wish by following this link:
Case Summary for APP/G2713/C/11/2165522
Please copy this link and send it to everyone in your address book who is pro-aviation
(Why would you have anyone in your address book who wasn't !!!)
Thank again for rallying round us.
Steve. Airfield Manager Bagby - EGNG.
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As a Helicopter Pilot Flight Training Registered Facility last year at Bagby we complied with all noise restrictions imposed!! The village doesn't appear to be 'reasonable'. Bagby airfield was there before the village population arrived. G
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Well done everyone !! If we can get at least 100 notes of support I will promise not to be antagonistic on PPRuNe any more !!
For once I will be proud to be part of our aviation community ..... It really is not a lot to ask for people who give a damn to send a short message of support ....come on guys just one good deed ??
Thanks again Nigel
For once I will be proud to be part of our aviation community ..... It really is not a lot to ask for people who give a damn to send a short message of support ....come on guys just one good deed ??
Thanks again Nigel
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Bagby airfield was there before the village population arrived.
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Is this really as we are being told according to nigelh?
As always there are 2 sides to a story and as nigelh brought it here, IMHO solely in order to get support in his point of view from a sympathetic aviation community, I thought it deserved looking at it from the 'official' side of things.
Friday 20th April 2012
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new...trict_Council/
This thread reminds me of 2 things;
1. Around these parts, there is a group that wish to reopen an old railway line. This group seem totally ignorant of the housing estates and roads that have been constructed since the line closed in 1968 due to dwindling passenger numbers. Almost every week one of their number is in the local rag saying, "All the people that I talk to are in support of reopening the line".
2. In New York last year I was walking past the Occupy Wall Street campaigners camp and overheard someone watching the goings on say, "All they do is sit in there all day massaging their own egos."
Can't see the wood for the trees.
Et voilà
Bagby Airfield has been serving the north for many years . Private flights , military , the business community, jockeys and owners and also HEMS . I remember flying my old Bell 47 in for fuel when I was a lad .."a great old fashioned uniquely British airfield .......not if the council have anything to do with it ......dark forces are at hand and they are using every trick in the book to try to close it for ever . New residents who bought in the full knowledge of the airport are complaining of the noise of maybe half a dozen movements a day .
Friday 20th April 2012
"A COUNCIL lost planning control of a controversial airfield, doing local residents an “injustice”, a damning report reveals today.
Action4Refusal, which represents residents in Bagby and Thirkleby, near Thirsk, North Yorkshire, complained to the local government ombudsman that Hambleton District Council did not control the use of Bagby Airfield, which overlooks the A19.
In a report published today, ombudsman Anne Seex said the authority had repeatedly failed the villagers since the airfield’s original owner, Phillip Lassey, retired in 1997.
Ms Seex said the council granted planning permission for 40 take-offs and 40 landings a week at the grass airstrip in 1980, but specified flying had to cease when Mr Lassey stopped occupying the site.
She said as the council’s planning officers did not take any action to stop flights when Mr Lassey retired, and never monitored its use due to a lack of resources, it led to a situation where the current owner, Martin Scott, was able to assert immunity from the 1980 restriction on flight numbers.
The ombudsman said despite residents repeatedly alerting the council to alleged planning breaches, it did nothing to regain planning control until the end of 2007.
Ms Seex said planning control at Bagby Airfield had been particularly important as the Civil Aviation Authority could not regulate its use and there was no power to enforce against air noise.
She said: “The council’s maladministration caused residents the injustice of disturbance from flights and a sense of frustration and apprehension about the possibility of uncontrolled expansion.
“Losing planning control over the use of land as an airfield is an extreme and most serious failure of planning administration.”
Ms Seex recommended the council to consider launching a discontinuation order at the airfield. She also said the authority should give £5,000 compensation to both Bagby and Thirkleby for community projects.
A council spokeswoman said councillors would discuss the report in June before responding to the ombudsman.
Stephen Hornsby, of Action4Refusal, said campaigners were satisfied with the ombudsman’s findings, that a compromise solution to issues at the airfield was unacceptable and that the council’s politicians needed to start exercising control over officers.
Mr Scott, meanwhile, said he sympathised with the council’s officers and had no concerns over the airfield’s position.
A public inquiry is due to be held next month into numerous alleged unauthorised developments at the airfield."
Action4Refusal, which represents residents in Bagby and Thirkleby, near Thirsk, North Yorkshire, complained to the local government ombudsman that Hambleton District Council did not control the use of Bagby Airfield, which overlooks the A19.
In a report published today, ombudsman Anne Seex said the authority had repeatedly failed the villagers since the airfield’s original owner, Phillip Lassey, retired in 1997.
Ms Seex said the council granted planning permission for 40 take-offs and 40 landings a week at the grass airstrip in 1980, but specified flying had to cease when Mr Lassey stopped occupying the site.
She said as the council’s planning officers did not take any action to stop flights when Mr Lassey retired, and never monitored its use due to a lack of resources, it led to a situation where the current owner, Martin Scott, was able to assert immunity from the 1980 restriction on flight numbers.
The ombudsman said despite residents repeatedly alerting the council to alleged planning breaches, it did nothing to regain planning control until the end of 2007.
Ms Seex said planning control at Bagby Airfield had been particularly important as the Civil Aviation Authority could not regulate its use and there was no power to enforce against air noise.
She said: “The council’s maladministration caused residents the injustice of disturbance from flights and a sense of frustration and apprehension about the possibility of uncontrolled expansion.
“Losing planning control over the use of land as an airfield is an extreme and most serious failure of planning administration.”
Ms Seex recommended the council to consider launching a discontinuation order at the airfield. She also said the authority should give £5,000 compensation to both Bagby and Thirkleby for community projects.
A council spokeswoman said councillors would discuss the report in June before responding to the ombudsman.
Stephen Hornsby, of Action4Refusal, said campaigners were satisfied with the ombudsman’s findings, that a compromise solution to issues at the airfield was unacceptable and that the council’s politicians needed to start exercising control over officers.
Mr Scott, meanwhile, said he sympathised with the council’s officers and had no concerns over the airfield’s position.
A public inquiry is due to be held next month into numerous alleged unauthorised developments at the airfield."
This thread reminds me of 2 things;
1. Around these parts, there is a group that wish to reopen an old railway line. This group seem totally ignorant of the housing estates and roads that have been constructed since the line closed in 1968 due to dwindling passenger numbers. Almost every week one of their number is in the local rag saying, "All the people that I talk to are in support of reopening the line".
2. In New York last year I was walking past the Occupy Wall Street campaigners camp and overheard someone watching the goings on say, "All they do is sit in there all day massaging their own egos."
Can't see the wood for the trees.
Et voilà
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Too many "straightforward to use" refuelling stops like Bagby are disappearing.
It's important to realise that jobs in the rotary world are at stake if we can't provide the required service to the customer at a reasonable price.
Things are difficult enough as they are, so best we support our own industry, not just roll over and let others have their way. Costs at the larger aiports are escalating fast, some to a ridiculous level. The more small airfields there are, the better.
It's important to realise that jobs in the rotary world are at stake if we can't provide the required service to the customer at a reasonable price.
Things are difficult enough as they are, so best we support our own industry, not just roll over and let others have their way. Costs at the larger aiports are escalating fast, some to a ridiculous level. The more small airfields there are, the better.
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I guess it doesn't help when they call themselves;
"Bagby International"
http://www.bagby-airfield.co.uk/
"Bagby International"
http://www.bagby-airfield.co.uk/
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there is always one isn't there !
well done Silsoe you didn't let me down .....why don't you just go there and speak to the people flying out of Bagby ? Why not find out the true story ? Why not find out about the room that had aircraft records in .....apparently against the new "rules" .
I imagine you just fly in the N Sea or something like that and are happy that this will not directly affect you ... So be it . Luckily for us there are others here who really value these few small airfields left dotted around our countryside , without them our industry will get far harder with far more expensive places for fuelling , less places to pick up pax who are not fortunate enough to have big gardens to land in or fields ....they have apparently even banned emergency flights
I have no doubt that the operators are very happy to keep to a limit on movements in order to be able to carry on but it appears the locals will complain even when a plane flies over regardless of going into the airfield . We all know what NIMBY,s are like ......I'm guessing you are one .
Anyway once again thank you for your support if you feel you can help and to those who don't .....don't whine ever about the state of our industry and the lack of facilities suitable for small aircraft !!!
Ps Thanks Savoie for the "Nigel's airfield " but sadly I have nothing to do with it ....I did however fly in in a red Bell47 G3B 1 about 30 yrs ago on the way to go crop spraying !!!!
Silsoe says. "as nigelh brought it here, IMHO solely in order to get support in his point of view from a sympathetic aviation community". Well No Sh*t Sherlock. How incredibly perceptive of you .....
well done Silsoe you didn't let me down .....why don't you just go there and speak to the people flying out of Bagby ? Why not find out the true story ? Why not find out about the room that had aircraft records in .....apparently against the new "rules" . I imagine you just fly in the N Sea or something like that and are happy that this will not directly affect you ... So be it . Luckily for us there are others here who really value these few small airfields left dotted around our countryside , without them our industry will get far harder with far more expensive places for fuelling , less places to pick up pax who are not fortunate enough to have big gardens to land in or fields ....they have apparently even banned emergency flights
I have no doubt that the operators are very happy to keep to a limit on movements in order to be able to carry on but it appears the locals will complain even when a plane flies over regardless of going into the airfield . We all know what NIMBY,s are like ......I'm guessing you are one .
Anyway once again thank you for your support if you feel you can help and to those who don't .....don't whine ever about the state of our industry and the lack of facilities suitable for small aircraft !!!
Ps Thanks Savoie for the "Nigel's airfield " but sadly I have nothing to do with it ....I did however fly in in a red Bell47 G3B 1 about 30 yrs ago on the way to go crop spraying !!!!
Silsoe says. "as nigelh brought it here, IMHO solely in order to get support in his point of view from a sympathetic aviation community". Well No Sh*t Sherlock
. How incredibly perceptive of you .....
SILSOE STRIKES AGAIN!!!
Silsoe - are you actually an aviator? Or maybe your current role in life has sucked all that flying passion out of you! Regardless of what has gone on, Bagby is a great little place.
The local residents have even complained about the 'noisy' Air Ambulance that was based there - forcing it to move elsewhere.
NigelH - please could I suggest you start an ePetition at number 10?
'Bagby International' is a long standing name because for such a small strip, some aviators departed quite far across borders.
Silsoe - are you actually an aviator? Or maybe your current role in life has sucked all that flying passion out of you! Regardless of what has gone on, Bagby is a great little place.
The local residents have even complained about the 'noisy' Air Ambulance that was based there - forcing it to move elsewhere.
NigelH - please could I suggest you start an ePetition at number 10?
'Bagby International' is a long standing name because for such a small strip, some aviators departed quite far across borders.