UK NPAS discussion: thread Mk 2
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Windle, spotted an error in your post......you wrote 'D Day' when I'm sure you ment 'Dunkirk'!!
The first D Day for us in the SE was April 1st but the convoy hadn't set off due to the manifest being unready.
The first D Day for us in the SE was April 1st but the convoy hadn't set off due to the manifest being unready.
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Windle, spotted an error in your post......you wrote 'D Day' when I'm sure you ment 'Dunkirk'!!
I would have laughed more, but never a truer word and all that!Strangely, just as I was laughing at your post I got a text from someone that said..."Half a league, half a league, half a league onward."
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I have a colleague who's father runs a brewery, not a big one, but a brewery nonetheless. Over the years he has organised some really good piss ups, and that got me to wondering whether the NPIA should have employed him? 
Vera, do you not know anything???
It is NPIA policy not to employ anyone who actually knows what they are talking about!!
This way, they can not only charge you for the work they did but for all the updates, upgrades, mods and fixes needed to put the original product into a condition where it actually does what it was supposed to do in the first place. You want proof? - look at Airborne Airwave
It is NPIA policy not to employ anyone who actually knows what they are talking about!!
This way, they can not only charge you for the work they did but for all the updates, upgrades, mods and fixes needed to put the original product into a condition where it actually does what it was supposed to do in the first place. You want proof? - look at Airborne Airwave
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Noticed this on the news this morning...
...and wondered why the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police would have a model of an EC145 in his office
(remove the 'a' in the pics filename for bigger shot)
...and wondered why the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police would have a model of an EC145 in his office
(remove the 'a' in the pics filename for bigger shot)
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BBC News - South Yorkshire Police to keep force helicopter
13 April 2012 Last updated at 17:00
South Yorkshire Police to keep force helicopter
Plans for South Yorkshire Police to keep its own helicopter for use during peak times have been approved.
The force will use the National Police Air Service (NPAS) for Wakefield, North Derbyshire and Humberside outside of peak hours.
Last year it was announced that NPAS would be introduced, meaning regional forces shared helicopters.
A South Yorkshire Police Authority spokesperson said the local service was critical to maintaining response times.
The South Yorkshire police helicopter was introduced in 1997 and flies about 1,200 hours a year at a cost of £1.68m.
Under the new plans, the force's helicopter would be available for use for 10 hours a day.
Sean Wright, deputy chairman for the authority said: "We've done an analysis of when the helicopter flies and we've identified peak deployment periods.
"We'll be looking at how we can best maintain response times to deliver a police air support service at peak periods."
The government said the introduction of the national service would see the number of police air units across England and Wales cut from 32 to 22.
South Yorkshire Police to keep force helicopter
Plans for South Yorkshire Police to keep its own helicopter for use during peak times have been approved.
The force will use the National Police Air Service (NPAS) for Wakefield, North Derbyshire and Humberside outside of peak hours.
Last year it was announced that NPAS would be introduced, meaning regional forces shared helicopters.
A South Yorkshire Police Authority spokesperson said the local service was critical to maintaining response times.
The South Yorkshire police helicopter was introduced in 1997 and flies about 1,200 hours a year at a cost of £1.68m.
Under the new plans, the force's helicopter would be available for use for 10 hours a day.
Sean Wright, deputy chairman for the authority said: "We've done an analysis of when the helicopter flies and we've identified peak deployment periods.
"We'll be looking at how we can best maintain response times to deliver a police air support service at peak periods."
The government said the introduction of the national service would see the number of police air units across England and Wales cut from 32 to 22.
Now lets take a distorted view on this pyrric victory for common sense over government [and ACPO] edict achieved by the South Yorkshire Police Authority.
Reconvene the talks in a couple of years from now and ...... ooer..... South Yorkshire Police Authority will not turn up to the table.....
There may be some common sense and cost savings to be made from this arrangement and I would not expect to be party to them. Perhaps there is something to be said for a peak time resource in Yorkshire that does not come directly out of the NPAS coffers and perhaps 23 is not the right number after all [only time and experience will confirm that] but my bet is that this deal is not set in stone. What is?
and another thing on this victory. If this is going to be a 10 hours a day peak requirement operation that potentially means the SYPASU crews are on near permanent late/half nights shift duties.
Reconvene the talks in a couple of years from now and ...... ooer..... South Yorkshire Police Authority will not turn up to the table.....
There may be some common sense and cost savings to be made from this arrangement and I would not expect to be party to them. Perhaps there is something to be said for a peak time resource in Yorkshire that does not come directly out of the NPAS coffers and perhaps 23 is not the right number after all [only time and experience will confirm that] but my bet is that this deal is not set in stone. What is?
and another thing on this victory. If this is going to be a 10 hours a day peak requirement operation that potentially means the SYPASU crews are on near permanent late/half nights shift duties.
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Thats assuming there are any constable observers left once Windsor 2 has its wicked way. I cant think of many who would be prepared to accept the loss of "specialist skills" payment...
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6 Years?
Nice, perhaps that is an indication to the timescale for complete and utter civilianisation of police air operations, run by a private company that is subject to the vagaries of the stock market etc and does not have to report to the taxpayer.
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Haha. Yes indeed. In fact my business plan is written to set up the company. I just need some MONEY..!!
"Air support provided by the hour. A/C crewed by REAL (retired) ex police air observers."
"no need for a pesky PAOC, pilot contracts or engineering. Prevent your force from being sued by letting us search (unsuccessfully) for your missing persons. Half the cost of running your own unit".
Privatisation. It's the Tory way.
"Air support provided by the hour. A/C crewed by REAL (retired) ex police air observers."
"no need for a pesky PAOC, pilot contracts or engineering. Prevent your force from being sued by letting us search (unsuccessfully) for your missing persons. Half the cost of running your own unit".
Privatisation. It's the Tory way.
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Just remind me, how is this going to save money
and they know that, but have allowed common sense and an appreciation of just how valuable their asset is, to prevail
Then again, I can't remember hearing ANYONE saying they have been convinced that
they will save any money under NPAS, at least not for many years, if at all.
It all seems to have moved on from the original "Improved service at a reduced cost",
to a Dictated service at an unknown cost - which could even be higher than the Pre-NPAS cost.
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I doubt that the arrangements made by South Yorkshire to retain their aircraft will save them any money at all
Option 3 (10hrs per day own a/c) = 1.686 million pounds
Current cost of running own unit = 1.68 million pounds..
So the NPAS "deal" they have struck actually costs 6000 pounds per year MORE
For the 6K extra they get the privilege of only using the a/c that they OWN for ten hours a day, lose half their pilots, all their engineers, and half their cops..
Oh yes but they get 24 hr cover from NPAS..
(ah but they are in a mutual aid consortium already where they are provided with..... yes you guessed it.. 24hr cover...!!! )
So the sum total of the gains from joining NPAS = zero..
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Not strictly true
Morris1 wrote
This is not strictly true, This is the price of going it alone, partially. Had SYP joined NPAS they would be paying substantially less, albeit at the loss of their aircraft and relying totally on other units.
I am glad I don't work at SYP, if they are covering 'Peak deployment' then it's no social life, no home life..........sounds like fun.
So the sum total of the gains from joining NPAS = zero..
I am glad I don't work at SYP, if they are covering 'Peak deployment' then it's no social life, no home life..........sounds like fun.
I am glad I don't work at SYP, if they are covering 'Peak deployment' then it's no social life, no home life..........sounds like fun.
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