Shell Southern North Sea Contract 2012
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Although there is a European framework for TUPE regulations, it is a little different in each country, and I understand the applicability criteria can also change from year-to-year. The link above is too old to be accurate! It also does not appear to mention differences for each EU state.
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FWIW, I was under the impression that TUPE applies when one company takes over/buys another company and 'inherits' a pre-existing contract. It doesn't apply if a new contract is awarded.
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TUPE applies if the new contract / company utilises equipment and/or facilities from the previous contract. One of the early test cases was a privatisation of IIRC hospital cleaning. The new company used the existing buckets, mops and more capital intensive equipment and due to that TUPE applied.
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As a reminder of what I know to be a 'fact', and not a 'rumour', when Bristow was awarded the BP work in Humberside, previously held by CHC, the lawyers all agreed that it was a TUPE transfer. Those who didn't move elsewhere within CHC moved across to Bristow. I think both companies used different S76 variants.
It's a complex area in which to interpret the law, so probably a good money-spinner for the law profession.
It's a complex area in which to interpret the law, so probably a good money-spinner for the law profession.
I might be wrong, but isn't TUPE an English law concept (albeit recognising an EU law)? So TUPE and Den Helder might be two mutually incompatible ideas.
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From some googling; "Wet Overgang van ondernemingen". Overgang van onderneming - Wikipedia
From a 2006 article: "The rules applicable to a transfer of undertaking follow from the EU Acquired Rights Directive 2001/23. This Directive is implemented in the Dutch Civil Code (Articles 7:662 etc)".
From a 2006 article: "The rules applicable to a transfer of undertaking follow from the EU Acquired Rights Directive 2001/23. This Directive is implemented in the Dutch Civil Code (Articles 7:662 etc)".
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So-so-so-so
Who will fly from 1. July in Den Helder and Norwich on the Shell contract?
Does Dancopter still have their 3 EC-155 in Nigeria? and if so then they cant be both places at the same time.
Any insider info will be appreciated
BR
Who will fly from 1. July in Den Helder and Norwich on the Shell contract?
Does Dancopter still have their 3 EC-155 in Nigeria? and if so then they cant be both places at the same time.
Any insider info will be appreciated
BR
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On a separate note, rumours abound of extortianate pay being paid by Dancopter. does anyone know what the true payscale is. I checked their website but it seems to be in the Danish currency and not sure it applies to Uk
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If IIRC the contract Shell awarded to Bristow in 2005 was a 7 year contract with several 1 or 2 year extensions that can be automatically activated. This is arrangement is normal in the industry so that the incumbent has to keep operating until their successor is ready.
Even within those extensions we can decrease the number of aircraft with 90-120 days notice. This really does make it easy to shop around for a good deal.
These days the smaller operators are proving very competitive and far more willing to operate as directed by the customer's highly skilled advisors.
Even within those extensions we can decrease the number of aircraft with 90-120 days notice. This really does make it easy to shop around for a good deal.
These days the smaller operators are proving very competitive and far more willing to operate as directed by the customer's highly skilled advisors.
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Oh no, it's SM again! It looks as if the NHV (or wherever it is he works now) PR machine is going in to overdrive once more
SM, how is it you don't know the precise terms of the Shell-Bristow contract? I thought you know everything there is to know?!
SM, how is it you don't know the precise terms of the Shell-Bristow contract? I thought you know everything there is to know?!
rewritable
Dancopter payscales/T&Cs appear to have been constructed from taking all the good bits from other operators' scales and leaving out bad bits (imho).
I'm sitting here comparing them alongside the Bristow scales and, even using 9.25 DKR/£, look very niiiiccccce - as Mr Borat would say.
I suppose they work in favour of UK-resident drivers as they are scaled taking into account DK social costs/tax etc.
So not quite clear who is 'extorting' from who.
Dancopter payscales/T&Cs appear to have been constructed from taking all the good bits from other operators' scales and leaving out bad bits (imho).
I'm sitting here comparing them alongside the Bristow scales and, even using 9.25 DKR/£, look very niiiiccccce - as Mr Borat would say.
I suppose they work in favour of UK-resident drivers as they are scaled taking into account DK social costs/tax etc.
So not quite clear who is 'extorting' from who.
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I think the Shell/NAM contract flown out of Norwich is Shell and in GBP. The Den Helder part is NAM and in EUR.
I don't think Dancopter will be paying the UK pilots the EUR payscale, but a seperate GBP payscale, since the contract is in GBP as well I recon. Would otherwise be very expensive for Dancopter and not in line with the rest of UK benchmark.
Further, which one of the Bristow payscales are you comparing to Dancopter's? The UK one, the Dutch one or the Norwegian one? Quite a big difference in all of them.
I'm pretty sure that in Holland and Norway the Bristow basic payscale is still quite a bit higher then Dancopter's. Not sure about UK, but that only looks good now because of the low GBP. Besides that, Bristow is the highest paying operator in the UK.
I don't think Dancopter will be paying the UK pilots the EUR payscale, but a seperate GBP payscale, since the contract is in GBP as well I recon. Would otherwise be very expensive for Dancopter and not in line with the rest of UK benchmark.
Further, which one of the Bristow payscales are you comparing to Dancopter's? The UK one, the Dutch one or the Norwegian one? Quite a big difference in all of them.
I'm pretty sure that in Holland and Norway the Bristow basic payscale is still quite a bit higher then Dancopter's. Not sure about UK, but that only looks good now because of the low GBP. Besides that, Bristow is the highest paying operator in the UK.
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Shell scraps helicopter deal over safety fears
Well, well, well....
Shell's already changing their minds by the looks of it.
Press and Journal - Article - Shell scraps helicopter deal over safety fears
Makes you wonder what that means for Australia because apparently that part also went to Bond...
Any news on Dancopter signing already with Shell, or is Shell also going to change their mind again on that one? As far as I know they officially haven't signed yet...
Clock is ticking for Shell by now... Only 30 days left to start.... Tik Tok Tik Tok
Shell's already changing their minds by the looks of it.
Press and Journal - Article - Shell scraps helicopter deal over safety fears
SHELL has abandoned plans to hand a major contract to Bond Offshore Helicopters after one of its aircraft ditched in the North Sea.
It is understood the oil giant had been on the verge of striking a multimillion-pound deal with the aviation firm to take over its UK flights.
But last night a spokeswoman for Shell said bosses did not have “sufficient assurances” of the safety of Bond’s operations – and had ruled it out of the tendering process.
It is understood the oil giant had been on the verge of striking a multimillion-pound deal with the aviation firm to take over its UK flights.
But last night a spokeswoman for Shell said bosses did not have “sufficient assurances” of the safety of Bond’s operations – and had ruled it out of the tendering process.
Any news on Dancopter signing already with Shell, or is Shell also going to change their mind again on that one? As far as I know they officially haven't signed yet...
Clock is ticking for Shell by now... Only 30 days left to start.... Tik Tok Tik Tok
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Ok, finally things are clear then! Good for Dancopter.
Are those the applicants from whom the names are all published on a list and send around by email for everyone to read?
Not very discrete if you ask me, especially for those who are still employed by their current employer 
. Is there some sort of strategy behind that? 
Oh well, good luck to everyone who's applying anyway! 
Cheers!
Are those the applicants from whom the names are all published on a list and send around by email for everyone to read?
Not very discrete if you ask me, especially for those who are still employed by their current employer . Is there some sort of strategy behind that? Oh well, good luck to everyone who's applying anyway! Cheers!
SNI
is that the distribution list of other successful applicants so boys n girls can get in touch to sort out lifts/accomodation etc? Don't think list was sent to those that failed, or their HR departments but ready to be corrected!
Didn't see your name on the list.....
is that the distribution list of other successful applicants so boys n girls can get in touch to sort out lifts/accomodation etc? Don't think list was sent to those that failed, or their HR departments but ready to be corrected!
Didn't see your name on the list.....