New UK CAA Charges
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Unbelieveable - yet again the Authority simply work out how much their "costs" are and divide them up amongst the captive market instead of questioning whether their costs are too high. How about starting from scratch and calculating prices from a "value for money" point of view?
1) £238 to get a JAA licence that I didn't actually want to convert - it's a single piece of paper with a different date on it for heaven's sake!
2) How can it cost nearly £ 1,300 per year to administrate a small flying school providing CPL modular courses? Even if you do 10 courses a year, that is another £130 each candidate has to pay, just to pay for the lunch room at Gatwick.
3) Another blinder is charging £172 per hour to review manuals. Who is doing the reviewing and why are they worth three to four times as much as the Flying Instructors who are actually doing the training.
It's time the Authority stopped and looked at the damage they are doing to the UK training industry through over regulation and a pricing structure that bears no relation to the margins achieveable.
As evidenced by the Cabair's situation, most training will soon be carried out in the US, as no-one will be able to afford to train in the UK. Thanks for the support CAA, I hope you will be pleased when you have put us all out of business!
1) £238 to get a JAA licence that I didn't actually want to convert - it's a single piece of paper with a different date on it for heaven's sake!
2) How can it cost nearly £ 1,300 per year to administrate a small flying school providing CPL modular courses? Even if you do 10 courses a year, that is another £130 each candidate has to pay, just to pay for the lunch room at Gatwick.
3) Another blinder is charging £172 per hour to review manuals. Who is doing the reviewing and why are they worth three to four times as much as the Flying Instructors who are actually doing the training.
It's time the Authority stopped and looked at the damage they are doing to the UK training industry through over regulation and a pricing structure that bears no relation to the margins achieveable.
As evidenced by the Cabair's situation, most training will soon be carried out in the US, as no-one will be able to afford to train in the UK. Thanks for the support CAA, I hope you will be pleased when you have put us all out of business!
Ya'll tell me why the CAA method is better than the FAA will ya? I think I missed the explanation first time around!
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Quite right Billie Bob £ 1,000 for a PPL authorisation is excessive too but at least the volume of PPL student hours allows the cost to be spread more thinly. I reckon about £1 per hour to cover Authority costs is about right. My point about CPL courses is that hardly anyone is coming through the UK system now, so the market is tiny and £1,300 pa is completely out of kilter with the turnover that can be generated in the current UK climate. If you only do one CPL course per year, £43 per hour needs to be recovered just to pay authority costs - for what? one paperwork audit per year whereby an inspector checks what you have checked and a third party QM has already audited! Talk about Jobs for the Boys and justify your own existence. This level of charging bears no resemblance to the current demand. In any business, if services are too expensive, people don't buy - why are the so called "independent" Authority immune from this and able to keep their costs/lifestyle and just keep overcharging the industry who are actually providing the service?
I have come to the conclusion that the helicopter industry in this country is managed by weak and spineless people ...!!! I have worked in this business in the USA and in the UK and believe me we get the idiots at Gatwick that we deserve ..... Years ago, again and again , i suggested the whole industry stand up to the CAA and refuse to pay these fees .
I took the view that i would not pay the idiots but carry on my business without an aoc ...quite simple and quite legal . I have been shot down so many times about this ...but who really is the mug ??? I would have gone bust years ago if i had to carry the o/head of an aoc .
I predicted that private heli flying and charter in this country would dissappear ( apart from a handful of mega wealthy ). As far as i am aware nobody has said Boo to the CAA so why should they care about fees/charges etc
For now i would still get an FAA licence and an N reg and to hell with the Gatwick mob !!!!!!!!!
I took the view that i would not pay the idiots but carry on my business without an aoc ...quite simple and quite legal . I have been shot down so many times about this ...but who really is the mug ??? I would have gone bust years ago if i had to carry the o/head of an aoc .
I predicted that private heli flying and charter in this country would dissappear ( apart from a handful of mega wealthy ). As far as i am aware nobody has said Boo to the CAA so why should they care about fees/charges etc
For now i would still get an FAA licence and an N reg and to hell with the Gatwick mob !!!!!!!!!
I think the EASA sh*t is just relevant to using a FAA licence in the uK to fly a G reg . You will still be allowed to fly an N reg ...........until they say you cannot keep N reg over here ......but my guess is that many of these machines are owned and flown by people who are NOT in the aviaition world and who may decide to stand up to this bunch of twits . We shall then see a class action against them which will ( hopefully ) cost them millions ......they will then give in and try to get their money back from ...youi guessed it ....YOU !!!!
