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Peter Cadbury
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Peter Egbert Cadbury was born on February 6 1918, the elder son of Air Commodore Sir Egbert Cadbury, DSC, DFC, a First World War ace who shot down two Zepellins over the North Sea from his Sopwith Camel, and went on to become a managing director of Cadbury Bros, the predecessor of Cadbury Schweppes.
Egbert was in turn a grandson of John Cadbury, a Quaker who had started business as a tea, coffee and cocoa merchant in Bull Street, Birmingham in 1824.
Cadbury Bros became one of the world's largest confectioners. Peter recalled as a child being allowed to dip his fingers into vats of molten chocolate.
Cadbury never worked in the family business however but followed his father into flying, with an early career as a test pilot in jet fighters, then qualifying as a barrister, playing a minor role in the Nurenburg War Crimes trials, before deciding his future did not lie in law.
Cadbury was the founder of Westward Television and later on Air Westward but it was his activities in television which were to consume most of his career.
Cadbury was known for his frequent rows with neighbours, the press, and even with his own board of directors. He was more than once involved in fistfights on roads over his driving. He owned a Ferrari, a Bentley, numerous yachts, helicopters, aeroplanes, racehorses, properties in the West Indies, and a succession of grand country mansions, one of which had an airstrip and a hangar for five aircraft.
As a result of his ongoing conflict with the IBA (the then-regulator of ITV) Westward lost the round of franchise renewals in 1980, and were replaced by TSW.
Cadbury was an animal lover who kept a parrot, a great Dane, and a Rwandan gorilla.
He was married three times. The first time was to Benedicta Bruce in 1947 (with legendary Spitfire pilot Douglas Bader as best man), with whom he had a son and a daughter; the marriage ended in divorce in 1968. He married again in 1970 to Mrs. Jennifer Morgan-Jones, who was 27 years younger than he, and with whom he had another son (Joel Cadbury, one time owner of the Groucho Club), before they divorced in 1976. In that same year, he married a third time, to Mrs. Jane Mead, with whom he had two more sons and after whom G-JANY was named.
Peter Egbert Cadbury was born on February 6 1918, the elder son of Air Commodore Sir Egbert Cadbury, DSC, DFC, a First World War ace who shot down two Zepellins over the North Sea from his Sopwith Camel, and went on to become a managing director of Cadbury Bros, the predecessor of Cadbury Schweppes.
Egbert was in turn a grandson of John Cadbury, a Quaker who had started business as a tea, coffee and cocoa merchant in Bull Street, Birmingham in 1824.
Cadbury Bros became one of the world's largest confectioners. Peter recalled as a child being allowed to dip his fingers into vats of molten chocolate.
Cadbury never worked in the family business however but followed his father into flying, with an early career as a test pilot in jet fighters, then qualifying as a barrister, playing a minor role in the Nurenburg War Crimes trials, before deciding his future did not lie in law.
Cadbury was the founder of Westward Television and later on Air Westward but it was his activities in television which were to consume most of his career.
Cadbury was known for his frequent rows with neighbours, the press, and even with his own board of directors. He was more than once involved in fistfights on roads over his driving. He owned a Ferrari, a Bentley, numerous yachts, helicopters, aeroplanes, racehorses, properties in the West Indies, and a succession of grand country mansions, one of which had an airstrip and a hangar for five aircraft.
As a result of his ongoing conflict with the IBA (the then-regulator of ITV) Westward lost the round of franchise renewals in 1980, and were replaced by TSW.
Cadbury was an animal lover who kept a parrot, a great Dane, and a Rwandan gorilla.
He was married three times. The first time was to Benedicta Bruce in 1947 (with legendary Spitfire pilot Douglas Bader as best man), with whom he had a son and a daughter; the marriage ended in divorce in 1968. He married again in 1970 to Mrs. Jennifer Morgan-Jones, who was 27 years younger than he, and with whom he had another son (Joel Cadbury, one time owner of the Groucho Club), before they divorced in 1976. In that same year, he married a third time, to Mrs. Jane Mead, with whom he had two more sons and after whom G-JANY was named.
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Oh dear Red Flag ... and E of R ... so now we all know how we get to have one's knee held for an entire flight! Just some spirited cyclic handling.
But seriously, a big thanks for waking up my memory and I've needed to refer to my log book and find that I flew that Enstrom demonstration on 14th February 1983 (Skyline opened for business at Booker the previous month) and yes .... how I remember the incident and somehow seem to recall your Mum's nervous grip was so tight it marked my skin. Certainly would have raised my BP a tad or two!
Keep 'em coming lads.
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But seriously, a big thanks for waking up my memory and I've needed to refer to my log book and find that I flew that Enstrom demonstration on 14th February 1983 (Skyline opened for business at Booker the previous month) and yes .... how I remember the incident and somehow seem to recall your Mum's nervous grip was so tight it marked my skin. Certainly would have raised my BP a tad or two!
Keep 'em coming lads.
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Previous posts mentioned Jetranger G-AWLL. This machine is still flying in Holland as PH-HWH. I stumbled across this film clip on You Tube showing it's A model Cockpit. (you may want to stick the kettle on first it lasts 40 odd minutes)
I have a special place for this machine as I made my first flight in it at Bellahouston Park in Glasgow around 1976. Unfortunately only one of us still looks the same today !!
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I have a special place for this machine as I made my first flight in it at Bellahouston Park in Glasgow around 1976. Unfortunately only one of us still looks the same today !!
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DoW Enstrom (latest)
A quick update on the DoW's Enstrom 280C Shark, G-TALY's predecessor (no pics yet but to follow soon I hope).
It was registered as G-BGWS (now G-MOTR) and owned by the DoW while he was Earl Grosver but registered to a company of his called Tern Fisheries.
Bought 30/8/78 and sold 15/6/79 when it was delivered to it's new owner in Shoreham.
My Dad started converting to RW on it 31/10/78 at Oxford Air Training School under CFI(H) Capt. John Black.
I'll post pics as soon as I get my hands on them!
It was registered as G-BGWS (now G-MOTR) and owned by the DoW while he was Earl Grosver but registered to a company of his called Tern Fisheries.
Bought 30/8/78 and sold 15/6/79 when it was delivered to it's new owner in Shoreham.
My Dad started converting to RW on it 31/10/78 at Oxford Air Training School under CFI(H) Capt. John Black.
I'll post pics as soon as I get my hands on them!
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With EofR's official endorsement to drift away...!
Further to my previous posts about the Clyde operations, I've got a few more to share.
The first shows the Garden Festival site with the Clyde Heliport in the top left corner, as it was in 1988.
Next picture is of G-STVI, complete with ladder:
Finally, picture of G-EYEI subtly adorned with advertising:
PS For those that may recall the confusion surrounding the Alton Towers B222 that may or may not of been pleasure flying in 1988, I have also received some pictures of the mystery aircraft's interior and it appears to a Long Ranger. When further questioned about the episode, my father remained adamant that it was the B222 whilst my brother pointed to a picture of an AS350 he had seen and stated that was the type of aircraft they had flown in. I decided to give up at this point and accept the uncertainty!
Simon
Further to my previous posts about the Clyde operations, I've got a few more to share.
The first shows the Garden Festival site with the Clyde Heliport in the top left corner, as it was in 1988.
Next picture is of G-STVI, complete with ladder:
Finally, picture of G-EYEI subtly adorned with advertising:
PS For those that may recall the confusion surrounding the Alton Towers B222 that may or may not of been pleasure flying in 1988, I have also received some pictures of the mystery aircraft's interior and it appears to a Long Ranger. When further questioned about the episode, my father remained adamant that it was the B222 whilst my brother pointed to a picture of an AS350 he had seen and stated that was the type of aircraft they had flown in. I decided to give up at this point and accept the uncertainty!
Simon
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G-TALY's Contemporaries
G-TALY had a number of European contemporaries and, on this one, I would welcome the support of any German PPRuNers who might be able to assist.
This relates to the JetRanger owned by Heinrich von Furstenberg which may have been D-HJEF, D-HJFF or another .. I have been unable to accurately identify the registration.
Any details would be greatly appreciated.
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His Highness Heinrich von Furstenberg, with wife Maximiliana, after dismounting their newly acquired Jet Ranger. Furstenberg Castle 1st June 1977. The 206's tail bears the von Furstenberg family colours as similarly displayed by the building's rooftop pennant.
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This relates to the JetRanger owned by Heinrich von Furstenberg which may have been D-HJEF, D-HJFF or another .. I have been unable to accurately identify the registration.
Any details would be greatly appreciated.
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His Highness Heinrich von Furstenberg, with wife Maximiliana, after dismounting their newly acquired Jet Ranger. Furstenberg Castle 1st June 1977. The 206's tail bears the von Furstenberg family colours as similarly displayed by the building's rooftop pennant.
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Since anyone can join in, I submit this
Dubai late 90's AMCP about to depart on an air test from Dubai.
I can't remember the registration but it most probably A6-ALQ as we also had another two, A6-ALG and A6-ALS and the G and S were painted on the nose if memory serves me.
This is looking north from the old Aerogulf ramp. Today the skyline has completely changed with Terminal 2 and a thousand buildings now in the background!
The three 105's were sold to Iran in 2001 and I believe I did the last AGS 105 flight in 'LS prior to handover in April 2001.
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Dubai late 90's AMCP about to depart on an air test from Dubai.
I can't remember the registration but it most probably A6-ALQ as we also had another two, A6-ALG and A6-ALS and the G and S were painted on the nose if memory serves me.
This is looking north from the old Aerogulf ramp. Today the skyline has completely changed with Terminal 2 and a thousand buildings now in the background!
The three 105's were sold to Iran in 2001 and I believe I did the last AGS 105 flight in 'LS prior to handover in April 2001.
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And it used to look like this
The old Aerogulf hangar prior to development of the airport.
Note the four Jet Rangers, Dubai Police 105 in the background, Cherokees of the Emirates Flying School and UAE C-130 as well as the original EK hangars. All changed now
And inside. You can imagine what it was like inside in mid summer!
AMCP
Note the four Jet Rangers, Dubai Police 105 in the background, Cherokees of the Emirates Flying School and UAE C-130 as well as the original EK hangars. All changed now
And inside. You can imagine what it was like inside in mid summer!
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Vintage SA318C Alouette
Stumbled across the archive section of the BBC website with a vintage Alouette on show - link below (afraid I can't extract the video, or find it on YouTube, but it should be viewable via the original site).
BBC - Archive - Aerial Journeys - Bird's Eye View | Green and Pleasant Land
The opening sequence shows G-AWLC (SA318C) which appears to have been registered to Heli-Union UK Ltd. 1968-1972.
Was the Alouette a particularly common camera platform in the UK?
Simon
BBC - Archive - Aerial Journeys - Bird's Eye View | Green and Pleasant Land
The opening sequence shows G-AWLC (SA318C) which appears to have been registered to Heli-Union UK Ltd. 1968-1972.
Was the Alouette a particularly common camera platform in the UK?
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Helicopter Air Mail
Sikorsky S51 of Los Angeles Airways departs the roof of the Terminal Annex Post Office during the inauguration of the first helicopter mail service in the US. 2nd October 1947.
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I don't think the Alouette was particularly common in the UK - maybe ten or so.
I remember the standard skids were so low that when landing in grass it looked as though the thing was landing on it's belly!
I don't think the Alouette was particularly common in the UK - maybe ten or so.
I remember the standard skids were so low that when landing in grass it looked as though the thing was landing on it's belly!
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Earl: thank you for the info re. Alouette. Whilst the 1960's were a little before my time(!), I wasn't aware of the Alouette being in common use in the UK and your post confirmed my suspicions.
Whilst I have no first hand experience of flying the afore mentioned machines, I once idled away an April afternoon in the Swiss village of Arolla by watching an Alouette shuttling up and down the valley, passing close to my hotel balcony.
Interesting picture of the QEII - I suspect that may be the same machine as in the BBC video. I just hope they didn't encounter any FOD-quoits. And of course it goes without saying that all the best ships were Clyde built... (conflict of interest: a Glaswegian in exile!).
Simon
Whilst I have no first hand experience of flying the afore mentioned machines, I once idled away an April afternoon in the Swiss village of Arolla by watching an Alouette shuttling up and down the valley, passing close to my hotel balcony.
Interesting picture of the QEII - I suspect that may be the same machine as in the BBC video. I just hope they didn't encounter any FOD-quoits. And of course it goes without saying that all the best ships were Clyde built... (conflict of interest: a Glaswegian in exile!).
Simon
Earlier days with an Alouette II, picking up bits of an Alouette III which had inadvertently parked on a stack of drill pipes in the background!
But I'll be on the new QE for its maiden Round the World cruise: not Clyde built, but I wonder where the helipad is?
But I'll be on the new QE for its maiden Round the World cruise: not Clyde built, but I wonder where the helipad is?
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Alouette 2
As a youngster in the 70s, an Alouette 2 landed quite close to our house on the Isle of Wight in preparation for filming a Martini advertisement. It spent a week or so chasing power boats up and down the Solent and sure enough a few months later the ad appeared on TV (great theme tune ''anytime, anyplace, anywhere, there's a wonderful drink you can share'' etc etc. Though never could figure out if anyplace and anywhere were different in an ad man's mind!)
Certainly do not remember the registration sorry to say, but the sticker on the nose was what looked like a bee or a hornet in a roundel of some sort. Funny what remains in the grey matter afer so many years.
Certainly do not remember the registration sorry to say, but the sticker on the nose was what looked like a bee or a hornet in a roundel of some sort. Funny what remains in the grey matter afer so many years.
