Heli ditch North Sea G-REDL: NOT condolences
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sad news for all
A very sad day for the north sea, condolences to all involved
I do hope that the search for the remaining is not being hampered by the fact that none of the passengers are wearing PLB due to recent legislation.
RIP
I do hope that the search for the remaining is not being hampered by the fact that none of the passengers are wearing PLB due to recent legislation.
RIP
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Its obviously a very bad catastrophic incident that will clearly take some time to unravel.
In the meanwhile could we please not start posting names this time to at least provide some respite for the families involved.
Head up for the next flight and keep professional!!!
Bad couple of months for the Offshore sector.
Feel sorry for the Boys in Red!!! Keep your chins up high.
DB
In the meanwhile could we please not start posting names this time to at least provide some respite for the families involved.
Head up for the next flight and keep professional!!!
Bad couple of months for the Offshore sector.
Feel sorry for the Boys in Red!!! Keep your chins up high.
DB
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Just a technical question,
Are the life rafts in the Super Puma family, external and auto-deployable ?
Aser
Are the life rafts in the Super Puma family, external and auto-deployable ?
Aser
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Life rafts
Aser:
None of the current A/C situations (ditchings) we have had today: S-92A, AS-332 L2 & EC-225 have any auto-deployment of the life rafts. When the rafts are armed, the only way to deploy them is to activate them through int. (in the cockpit) or ext. handling by handles. They will NOT activate by themselves in an armed mode. The float-system by the other hand will inflate by their water-detection sensors if armed.
ChopperIMC
None of the current A/C situations (ditchings) we have had today: S-92A, AS-332 L2 & EC-225 have any auto-deployment of the life rafts. When the rafts are armed, the only way to deploy them is to activate them through int. (in the cockpit) or ext. handling by handles. They will NOT activate by themselves in an armed mode. The float-system by the other hand will inflate by their water-detection sensors if armed.
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Why was the title of this thread changed to say "NOT condolences"? This is a very sad day for many people. Why would you not want to see condolences added to this? Or am I missing something?
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darrenphughes,
Anyone who is not touched by this tragedy is in the minority. There were, however, a number of posts which would be better in a separate thread.
If you wish to start a new thread for condolences, please do so. Meanwhile, this thread will remain for posts immediately relevant to the North Sea crash.
Anyone who is not touched by this tragedy is in the minority. There were, however, a number of posts which would be better in a separate thread.
If you wish to start a new thread for condolences, please do so. Meanwhile, this thread will remain for posts immediately relevant to the North Sea crash.
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This is so sad, and so soon after the last incident. My thoughts are with everyone affected.
Including cougar helicopters and G-JSAR's unexpected landing on a beach this is as far as I am aware 4 super puma's incidents of varying degrees of severity. I cannot help but wonder about the types integrity.
Including cougar helicopters and G-JSAR's unexpected landing on a beach this is as far as I am aware 4 super puma's incidents of varying degrees of severity. I cannot help but wonder about the types integrity.
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Life Rafts?
Two life rafts were spotted but were capsized, so the press reports say. Aren't these double sided? You just pull the canopy to whichever side is uppermost. If so I guess there were no canopies pulled up. Though not auto deployable these dinghies have been deployed. Does this mean someone deployed them? Or is it possible that the descent into the sea, described as rapid by the shipborne witnesses, could have ripped off the sponsons and somehow released the dinghies?
Hoping beyond hope for some good news. Thoughts go to families, relatives and friends, and also to anyone continuing to fly out there after this tragic accident.
Hoping beyond hope for some good news. Thoughts go to families, relatives and friends, and also to anyone continuing to fly out there after this tragic accident.
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What makes this so sad, is that approximately 5 minutes beforehand, they would have called operations frequency and reported 20 minutes to go and reported as 'serviceable'.
This is such a tragic event.
There are many bits and pieces of information passing about right now, including the mayday call heard by a few other aircraft on frequency.
I hope those poor souls didnt suffer.
This is such a tragic event.
There are many bits and pieces of information passing about right now, including the mayday call heard by a few other aircraft on frequency.
I hope those poor souls didnt suffer.
slyguy
Unfortunately it seems this accident was non-survivable with or without PLBs
Aser - auto-deployable liferafts would be a very bad idea - the first malfunction causing them to deploy in flight would most likely bring the helicopter down. This is why there are no deployment handles inside the cabin - its on the outside just behind the cabin door.
Since there is a long cable going from the sponson to the cockpit handle, any deformation of the fuselage could easily pull on this cable and activate the liferaft inflation. If, as it seems, this impact was hard, that is probably why the liferafts inflated. There is no "upside down" - as Deltafree says, they are reversible.
bolkow
Although there have been some ditchings with everyone surviving (JSAR and REDU at least), I think this is the first catastrophic failure of the L2 on the N Sea. Bearing in mind its been in extensive use in the N Sea for 15+ years, it has a good, but not perfect, safety record. At this stage we have no idea of the cause - it could for example be a maintenance error, but far too early to know.
HC
Unfortunately it seems this accident was non-survivable with or without PLBs
Aser - auto-deployable liferafts would be a very bad idea - the first malfunction causing them to deploy in flight would most likely bring the helicopter down. This is why there are no deployment handles inside the cabin - its on the outside just behind the cabin door.
Since there is a long cable going from the sponson to the cockpit handle, any deformation of the fuselage could easily pull on this cable and activate the liferaft inflation. If, as it seems, this impact was hard, that is probably why the liferafts inflated. There is no "upside down" - as Deltafree says, they are reversible.
bolkow
Although there have been some ditchings with everyone surviving (JSAR and REDU at least), I think this is the first catastrophic failure of the L2 on the N Sea. Bearing in mind its been in extensive use in the N Sea for 15+ years, it has a good, but not perfect, safety record. At this stage we have no idea of the cause - it could for example be a maintenance error, but far too early to know.
HC
Has any aircraft on the North Sea or anywhere else had a perfect safety record?
Offshore L2s
OK, a quick survey of L2s used in an offshore role produced this list. Corrections welcome!
Aircraft still in service:
BHL/Norsk - 2
BHS (CHC) - 3
Bond - 6
CHC - 16
MHS - 3
SFC Vietnam - 4
Sonair - 4
Turkmenistan - 2 (offshore??)
TOTAL 40
Losses to date:
BHS (CHC) - 1 (02/08)
BHL - 1 (11/06)
Bond - 1 (04/09)
MHS - 2 (11/06, 01/07)
TOTAL 5
Aircraft still in service:
BHL/Norsk - 2
BHS (CHC) - 3
Bond - 6
CHC - 16
MHS - 3
SFC Vietnam - 4
Sonair - 4
Turkmenistan - 2 (offshore??)
TOTAL 40
Losses to date:
BHS (CHC) - 1 (02/08)
BHL - 1 (11/06)
Bond - 1 (04/09)
MHS - 2 (11/06, 01/07)
TOTAL 5
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SASless
If you only want aircraft/operator combinations that are bigger than the North Sea ops , and have been around longer , and have perfect safety records then two I can think of are the C130/RAAF and the 707/747/QANTAS fleets . Perfect safety records are achievable even over a fifty year period .
If you only want aircraft/operator combinations that are bigger than the North Sea ops , and have been around longer , and have perfect safety records then two I can think of are the C130/RAAF and the 707/747/QANTAS fleets . Perfect safety records are achievable even over a fifty year period .