Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

Super Puma down central North Sea Feb 2009

Wikiposts
Search
Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

Super Puma down central North Sea Feb 2009

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 18th Feb 2009, 22:43
  #41 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Montreal
Posts: 714
Received 13 Likes on 10 Posts
They beat the odds to get everyone out and into rafts on a dark night, my congrats to all. Aircraft stayed upright in 2-3 m waves, so another big plus there.

Lots of talk of the benefit of Jigsaw, but apart from reporting back that the aircraft was floating and didn't have a tailboom, exactly what else did they do? Seems to me the workboat picked everyone up out of the rafts.

So EASA grounds the EC155, nobody wants the 76C++ until they solve the PHI crash, and now the EC225 does its best imitation of a GOM R44. Just what are we safe to fly in?
malabo is offline  
Old 18th Feb 2009, 22:57
  #42 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well done to crew, pax and rescue services. Good to hear all ok.
Cwhizz is offline  
Old 18th Feb 2009, 23:00
  #43 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Abu Dhabi
Posts: 1,079
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Off-topic
Malabo, can you give a reference for the 155 grounding?

Regards
Aser
Aser is offline  
Old 18th Feb 2009, 23:07
  #44 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Montreal
Posts: 714
Received 13 Likes on 10 Posts
EASA Airworthiness Directives Publishing Tool


# 2009-0035-E
malabo is offline  
Old 18th Feb 2009, 23:21
  #45 (permalink)  
TRC
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Posts: 504
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just caught up with this.....

Well done to all involved.

It'll be interesting to find out what happened, but I'm very glad that all ended well.
TRC is offline  
Old 18th Feb 2009, 23:33
  #46 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ban Don Ling
Posts: 244
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thumbs down Malabo

What tosh you speak. The UNS-1D on the EC155 has a software glitch, the S76 in general, not the S76C++ alone may have a problem with windscreen, and the Puma successfully carried out the mitigating safety procedures for flight in a rotorcraft operating in hostile conditions. Scare-mongerer!
tistisnot is offline  
Old 18th Feb 2009, 23:37
  #47 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: scotland
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
and now the EC225 does its best imitation of a GOM R44. Just what are we safe to fly in?
You're safe to fly in the EC 225, it did exactly what it says on the tin. If tonights events don't prove that to you, you shouldn't be flying at all.

And while we wait for the investigation as to why this accident happened, I'm happy to applaud the crew, passengers and rescue team who got through a very testing experience without any loss of life.


Good work fellas.
Camper Van Basten is offline  
Old 18th Feb 2009, 23:41
  #48 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Here and there...
Age: 58
Posts: 854
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just woke up on the other side of the world and had a shock from the BBC then got on here and feeling much better now.

Well done to all involved! It goes to show that dedicated cover is an expensive toy to pay for until you need it.
unstable load is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 00:05
  #49 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: scotland
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thumbs up Well done the rescuers

Well done to all involved, a happy resolution to a potential disaster. I am curious to know though. Why did only 3 get winched? Worsening weather, downwash affecting the dinghy? Both mentioned but what was the reason? So a rescue boat did the rest, how? Was it the notorious Dacon scoop? Would the outcome have been quite as satisfactory if there had been a bigger swell? I don't like too much "what if"ing, but is tonight's great result always repeatable?
DeltaFree is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 00:31
  #50 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: scotland
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I believe the three that were airlifted back were in one liferaft, the other fifteen picked up by boat were in another. It will all become clearer in the coming days and weeks.
Camper Van Basten is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 00:43
  #51 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Iceland
Posts: 491
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
Does anyone know how the weather conditions where like?
perhaps another lightning strike like in 1995 with the Bristow Puma...?????

Last edited by rotorrookie; 19th Feb 2009 at 03:11.
rotorrookie is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 01:26
  #52 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Downeast
Age: 75
Posts: 18,287
Received 505 Likes on 210 Posts
Where's the eye witness that heard the aircraft sputtering as it plunged to earth barely missing that school house ShyT mentioned? If the auto pilot was engaged we must consider tail icing as the cause....right?
SASless is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 03:35
  #53 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: at the edge
Posts: 154
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The aircraft is a nice shiny new EC225 leased by Bond from ERA in Lake Charles Louisiana.
leading edge is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 05:26
  #54 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: n/a
Posts: 1,425
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The aircraft is a nice shiny new EC225
Not any more it isn't
Daysleeper is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 06:16
  #55 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: in a skip
Posts: 131
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
BBC reporting that in the next half-hour they will have an expert on to explain what happened. Wonder who that will be, possibly the usual suspect?
I do hope so. What's the odds on their explanation involving incorrectly set flaps? Or a faulty AHRS/drag damper interface cable causing overheating of the gascolator?
Glad to hear they missed the school though.
the beater is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 06:22
  #56 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: lancashire
Age: 53
Posts: 140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I've just seen the expert. He was probably an expert in 1952, did anybody else notice he nearly said anti G suit! Quality
on21 is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 06:55
  #57 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Over the rainbow
Age: 51
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
well done to the crew and the rescue services!
MyTarget is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 07:00
  #58 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Expert? Really... who dug him up?
Brom is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 07:08
  #59 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: F8 and Be There
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just watching the media. The same skills used as the Hudson River Airbus, apparently...

Good to see the crew are heroes for narrowly avoiding the nearby school full of children playing outside
Max Shutterspeed is offline  
Old 19th Feb 2009, 07:08
  #60 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Northern Ireland
Age: 74
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Experts

The Sky News expert stated that we have auto hover in the Pumas because he did when he was in the Forces flying Sea Kings. Doh!
OffshoreHeli is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.