Suspected heli crash, Gloucestershire (Nov 2008)
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I have no comment to make on the main topic of this thread, other than condolences .
On the safety pilot issue, 1. some are only two seats
2. I went along as second pilot(safety pilot) with a friend, I expressed great concern in some deteriorating weather we encountered , and insisted we land . He took such exception to this "interference" in front of his friends that he is now an ex friend
On the safety pilot issue, 1. some are only two seats
2. I went along as second pilot(safety pilot) with a friend, I expressed great concern in some deteriorating weather we encountered , and insisted we land . He took such exception to this "interference" in front of his friends that he is now an ex friend
tacr2man,
Sounds like yer ex pal was on a big ego trip... Just what we need in our delicate aviation community. I applaude your tactful use of CRM (calculated risk management)
Friends like that you don't need....
Sounds like yer ex pal was on a big ego trip... Just what we need in our delicate aviation community. I applaude your tactful use of CRM (calculated risk management)
Friends like that you don't need....
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Very sad to hear this.
Thought the RAF number seemed very familiar; I flew the airframe in question on many occasions during my time on the QHI course at CFS and instructing at 1 Sqn at Shawbury, albeit some 24 years ago.
Thought the RAF number seemed very familiar; I flew the airframe in question on many occasions during my time on the QHI course at CFS and instructing at 1 Sqn at Shawbury, albeit some 24 years ago.
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Ragman,
Welcome to 'prune.
As you appear to be relatively new here I guess you might not realise that the findings of the AAIB will be published in due course after a very thorough examination of all the known facts.
This may take many months or even over a year.
( Although an Interim report may be published sooner than that with any initial findings. )
It is only 8 days since this unfortunate incident, and it has not yet been possible to even formally identify some of those on board,
let alone determine the cause.
Hmmm - Fortunately the AAIB findings will not "come out" as a result of the comments on here !
Coconutty
Welcome to 'prune.
As you appear to be relatively new here I guess you might not realise that the findings of the AAIB will be published in due course after a very thorough examination of all the known facts.
This may take many months or even over a year.
( Although an Interim report may be published sooner than that with any initial findings. )
It is only 8 days since this unfortunate incident, and it has not yet been possible to even formally identify some of those on board,
let alone determine the cause.
unfortunately it will come out as that by what has been said
Coconutty
If it was operating on a permit to fly, can you have 3 people on board? Thought it was only meant to be essential people ie 2. Either way condollences to familliesand friends.
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Thanks Coconutty,
someone has suggested the heli is on a permit to fly only? if so why do pilots put themselves in this position of carrying people? was this a charter flight with fog in the area, it doesnt read too good for those left on the ground,
someone has suggested the heli is on a permit to fly only? if so why do pilots put themselves in this position of carrying people? was this a charter flight with fog in the area, it doesnt read too good for those left on the ground,
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My understanding of the number of people inhabiting an ex-military Gazelle was that it is normally only allowed to fly two up - back seaters could only be carried if they were 'ground crew'. Presume that was the case in this tragic case.
Not just a blanket number of max people for a 'Permit' aircraft.
Not just a blanket number of max people for a 'Permit' aircraft.
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As promised here are the service details for Roderick Paskey,
( also known as Rick or Rod by friends and business acquaintances ),
which his partner Carol has asked be circulated to those who knew him.
All are welcome to attend the service, burial and / or reception.
Friday 21st November @ 1100 Hrs - Fazeley Parish Church
St. Paul's Church
Coleshill Street
Fazeley
Staffordshire
B78 3RQ
Followed by burial at Sutton New Hall Cemetery @ 1230 Hrs
Lindridge Road
Sutton Coldfield
West Midlands
B75 7HX
A Reception will then be held at Drayton Manor Park.
Anyone not wishing to attend the service or burial, are welcome to attend the Reception,
where they will be joined by family and friends after the internment.
Family flowers only please, donations in lieu to Cancer Research after the service,
or via Co-Op Funeral Service, Tamworth.
Coconutty
( also known as Rick or Rod by friends and business acquaintances ),
which his partner Carol has asked be circulated to those who knew him.
All are welcome to attend the service, burial and / or reception.
Friday 21st November @ 1100 Hrs - Fazeley Parish Church
St. Paul's Church
Coleshill Street
Fazeley
Staffordshire
B78 3RQ
Followed by burial at Sutton New Hall Cemetery @ 1230 Hrs
Lindridge Road
Sutton Coldfield
West Midlands
B75 7HX
A Reception will then be held at Drayton Manor Park.
Anyone not wishing to attend the service or burial, are welcome to attend the Reception,
where they will be joined by family and friends after the internment.
Family flowers only please, donations in lieu to Cancer Research after the service,
or via Co-Op Funeral Service, Tamworth.
Coconutty
Last edited by Coconutty; 12th Nov 2008 at 18:51. Reason: Addition of further information
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Ragman, it hasn't changed - the restrictions are written in the AAN for each aircraft. See here:
http://www.caa.co.uk/aandocs/28593/28593000000.pdf
http://www.caa.co.uk/aandocs/28593/28593000000.pdf
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Thats the aan i looked for one of my old permits for the gazelle and they must have all been binned i have one getting a new permit to fly shortly i will post what it says on the permit
steve
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