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Rescue 1 - as ever, your finger is very far off the pulse
wait a while to see what comes next in the SARH pantomime - you might find I am more perspicacious than you think
wait a while to see what comes next in the SARH pantomime - you might find I am more perspicacious than you think
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Top of my list. Want one. 
I think it ended up in the oggin off Holland. Lovely fit, lovely kit for the drivers, best paint job I've seen on a SAR cab.
Come on Side Salad, sorry Crab, you must surely itch to get your white gloved paws on something shiny like this. If it does appeal why doesn't the UK Govt. bite the bullet and buy direct from Areospatiale instead of chuffing around with upgrades and polyfilla; Bristow bought a whole bunch in the early '80s and got them at a decent price, if only our wonderful politicos could see beyond their eyebrows.
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I think it ended up in the oggin off Holland. Lovely fit, lovely kit for the drivers, best paint job I've seen on a SAR cab. Come on Side Salad, sorry Crab, you must surely itch to get your white gloved paws on something shiny like this. If it does appeal why doesn't the UK Govt. bite the bullet and buy direct from Areospatiale instead of chuffing around with upgrades and polyfilla; Bristow bought a whole bunch in the early '80s and got them at a decent price, if only our wonderful politicos could see beyond their eyebrows.
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Rescue Uno, you'd be hard pushed to find many winch ops over 5'4", hence no problemo, they can all stand up, some can even raise their hands above their heads. 
Here's one from a northern island.
Here's one from a northern island.
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Luv the pics BN. Only poor point is the double winch fit (here we go again!!) - its a bit of a barn door set up on an otherwise fab machine - especially the newer 225 based version.Cabin height -- well there's a whole new thread in itself I fancy!!!
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especially if properly paired with the S61 head
AW, since it is in their interest to do so.
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You must be itching to get your hands as something so wonderful as this lovely peice of kit nice paint job.
Fantastic Machine loads of power and proven track record
There is nothing wrong with dreaming.
You must be itching to get your hands as something so wonderful as this lovely peice of kit nice paint job.
Fantastic Machine loads of power and proven track record
There is nothing wrong with dreaming.
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Sikorsky SAR S-92® Helicopter Tallies 150+ Rescues in North Sea & North Atlantic
Sikorsky initially developed the uniquely capable helicopter for over-water search and rescue for one of the most demanding and challenging environments ever, the North Sea and North Atlantic, and introduced the dedicated SAR S-92 helicopter in March 2007.
“The SAR S-92 helicopter follows in the tradition of Sikorsky’s history of search and rescue efforts, both military and civil. After more than 100,000 flight hours by the S-92 helicopter fleet, the aircraft has demonstrated itself to be a safe, reliable and cost-efficient platform, ideally suited for long-range transport missions in all weather,” said Marc Poland, Sikorsky Vice President, Commercial Programs.
The SAR S-92 helicopters have supported rescues from mountains and cliffs, and provided assistance to vessels in trouble to rescuing crews. One such incident led to the rescue of 14 fishermen from the vessel Spinningdale in February this year, in which the vessel ran aground at St. Kilda. The vessel was lashed by high winds and heavy seas as it sat stranded on rocky, cliff-facing terrain until the SAR S-92 helicopter crew reached it to retrieve the men amid gusting 70-knot winds.
“CHC has had success with Sikorsky helicopters and the St. Kilda rescue was strong evidence of the capabilities of the SAR S-92 helicopter,” said Sylvain Allard, President and CEO of CHC. “Similarly, the other rescues conducted with this aircraft have been in locations that are extreme; when called upon, the aircraft and crews have responded with exemplary performance and professionalism, and this helicopter has been a valuable tool for those missions.”
Ian McLuskie, Search and Rescue Manager with CHC, said, ”The waters covered by the northern MCA bases feature a diverse range of commercial maritime activities, ranging from fishing and large-scale cargo movements to offshore oil and gas production. The new aircraft were brought into operation to take the service into a new technology-led era, and have already proved their capabilities in providing an effective service to those who need it.”
The S-92 is the first helicopter in the world certified to the latest U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and European Joint airworthiness safety standards. The S-92 features a Rotor Ice Protection System (RIPS), which allows the aircraft to operate in known icing conditions. RIPS has been certified by both North American and European aviation authorities and is available on S-92 military variants as well as commercial aircraft. EASA certification was issued in April for an IAFS equipped aircraft, which is currently in commercial operation.
Just love the BULL......
Crab how many rescues have you boys done...?
Sikorsky initially developed the uniquely capable helicopter for over-water search and rescue for one of the most demanding and challenging environments ever, the North Sea and North Atlantic, and introduced the dedicated SAR S-92 helicopter in March 2007.
“The SAR S-92 helicopter follows in the tradition of Sikorsky’s history of search and rescue efforts, both military and civil. After more than 100,000 flight hours by the S-92 helicopter fleet, the aircraft has demonstrated itself to be a safe, reliable and cost-efficient platform, ideally suited for long-range transport missions in all weather,” said Marc Poland, Sikorsky Vice President, Commercial Programs.
The SAR S-92 helicopters have supported rescues from mountains and cliffs, and provided assistance to vessels in trouble to rescuing crews. One such incident led to the rescue of 14 fishermen from the vessel Spinningdale in February this year, in which the vessel ran aground at St. Kilda. The vessel was lashed by high winds and heavy seas as it sat stranded on rocky, cliff-facing terrain until the SAR S-92 helicopter crew reached it to retrieve the men amid gusting 70-knot winds.
“CHC has had success with Sikorsky helicopters and the St. Kilda rescue was strong evidence of the capabilities of the SAR S-92 helicopter,” said Sylvain Allard, President and CEO of CHC. “Similarly, the other rescues conducted with this aircraft have been in locations that are extreme; when called upon, the aircraft and crews have responded with exemplary performance and professionalism, and this helicopter has been a valuable tool for those missions.”
Ian McLuskie, Search and Rescue Manager with CHC, said, ”The waters covered by the northern MCA bases feature a diverse range of commercial maritime activities, ranging from fishing and large-scale cargo movements to offshore oil and gas production. The new aircraft were brought into operation to take the service into a new technology-led era, and have already proved their capabilities in providing an effective service to those who need it.”
The S-92 is the first helicopter in the world certified to the latest U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and European Joint airworthiness safety standards. The S-92 features a Rotor Ice Protection System (RIPS), which allows the aircraft to operate in known icing conditions. RIPS has been certified by both North American and European aviation authorities and is available on S-92 military variants as well as commercial aircraft. EASA certification was issued in April for an IAFS equipped aircraft, which is currently in commercial operation.
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Crab how many rescues have you boys done...?
Well, we have passed 150 since Jan just at Chivenor. As for 'long-range transport missions' - we have highlighted at length the shortcomings in the S92's range. Whilst I don't blame him for trying to 'big up' his own product, it shows just what corporate spin they are prepared to use - trouble is, lots of people seem to take it all at face value.
And yes, as I have said before, a new and shiny aircraft would be very nice - we would probably be better off leasing some of those shiny toys in the long run and set them up as COMR on all bases
SailorVee, don't dismiss the SK upgrade too quickly - you'd be surprised what might be considered when the pennies are tight.
And yes, as I have said before, a new and shiny aircraft would be very nice - we would probably be better off leasing some of those shiny toys in the long run and set them up as COMR on all bases
SailorVee, don't dismiss the SK upgrade too quickly - you'd be surprised what might be considered when the pennies are tight.
but but...but....
The S-92 features a Rotor Ice Protection System (RIPS), which allows the aircraft to operate in known icing conditions.
have they got it to work yet?- I recall a long diversion round the north of Scotland by R100 last winter because of icing issues in the hills, and it was not a "one-of"...
have they got it to work yet?- I recall a long diversion round the north of Scotland by R100 last winter because of icing issues in the hills, and it was not a "one-of"...
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hopefully to an a/c that can actually go further than a Seaking and has a radar that will allow it to approach cliffs etc with a strong on shore wind and poor viz!!
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Long legs
hopefully to an a/c that can actually go further than a Seaking and has a radar that will allow it to approach cliffs etc with a strong on shore wind and poor viz!!
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All machines have their clitches, but man for it's size and complexity it = RELIABILITY as well together with power and performance. I operated with them 38 degrees +, 70% humidity offshore and man despite 1 engineer onsite we did 1400hrs in 12 months. For this one we need a bow picture. Engineers I worked with love them for accessibility and engineering simplicity.
All machines have their clitches, but man for it's size and complexity it = RELIABILITY as well together with power and performance. I operated with them 38 degrees +, 70% humidity offshore and man despite 1 engineer onsite we did 1400hrs in 12 months. For this one we need a bow picture. Engineers I worked with love them for accessibility and engineering simplicity.
How about this one.
Sponsons, Cheek tanks and the addition of a 600L internal tank would give it over 7,000lbs at lift off. This would give you a RoA of 260 miles with 30mins on site, room for 11 survivors, with 30mins fixed and 10% variable reserves.
The internal tank is not a problem. I have winched with one in a 332 and it doesn't get in the way.
Sponsons, Cheek tanks and the addition of a 600L internal tank would give it over 7,000lbs at lift off. This would give you a RoA of 260 miles with 30mins on site, room for 11 survivors, with 30mins fixed and 10% variable reserves.
The internal tank is not a problem. I have winched with one in a 332 and it doesn't get in the way.
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Onevan - your hearsay seems correct - 3 bidders to be reduced to 2 by the end of the year. But, despite all the 'bluesky thinking' - only the 12 base option is to be considered with a mix of 2 aircraft types 60/40 medium/large.
Costs still seem to be a problem though especially for training - funny how the Mod setup doesn't look so expensive now. Easy answer - cut the training just like crab@ said before - oh dear
Costs still seem to be a problem though especially for training - funny how the Mod setup doesn't look so expensive now. Easy answer - cut the training just like crab@ said before - oh dear
Quelle surprise! Shock horror newsflash - Military SAR found not to be that expensive after all!
So that leaves a couple of options -a. Trim down the SARH bids to meet what the treasury is prepared to spend, which realistically means reducing capability by cutting corners on training and equipment or b. Fund the MoD to be the full service provider (that should go down well with some here) and take another look in 10 years time.
Option c would be to continue the process to the bitter end and finish up paying more than originally estimated just to replace a system (especially the training one) that works reasonably well and also provides mature, experienced operators for the civilian market (and has done for many years).
In the meantime all 3 bidders have spent millions of their own money which for at least 2 of them will have been completely wasted - maybe they are waiting to see who blinks first and pulls out of what has been a very protracted and pointless competition thanks to a lack of govt involvement and direction.
I believe the MCA started us off in this direction under the previous leadership in a bid for world domination (or at least UKSAR) and it doesn't seem likely there will be any winners but lots of losers (unsuccessful bidders, taxpayers, Mil SAR) unless something drastic happens.
So that leaves a couple of options -a. Trim down the SARH bids to meet what the treasury is prepared to spend, which realistically means reducing capability by cutting corners on training and equipment or b. Fund the MoD to be the full service provider (that should go down well with some here
) and take another look in 10 years time.Option c would be to continue the process to the bitter end and finish up paying more than originally estimated just to replace a system (especially the training one) that works reasonably well and also provides mature, experienced operators for the civilian market (and has done for many years).
In the meantime all 3 bidders have spent millions of their own money which for at least 2 of them will have been completely wasted - maybe they are waiting to see who blinks first and pulls out of what has been a very protracted and pointless competition thanks to a lack of govt involvement and direction.
I believe the MCA started us off in this direction under the previous leadership in a bid for world domination (or at least UKSAR) and it doesn't seem likely there will be any winners but lots of losers (unsuccessful bidders, taxpayers, Mil SAR) unless something drastic happens.