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Info gleaned with no comment to accuracy etc etc. Apply all caveats.
The pilots were a local captain (Reasonably experienced, but only a couple of hundred hours on type. He was instrument rated on a 412, and had a CPL) and deputy ops officer as copilot (Experienced and fully qualified, but only flew occasionally, and then mainly due to shortage of pilots.) Picked up 3 passengers to take to an island, one being the minister of police and brother of the president. He apparently insisted on getting in to the copilots seat, and John Hanley, the copilot, reluctantly got in the back. As they left the lit up area they were cleared from 1000 ft to 1500. The radar trace shows they climbed somewhat erratically to 2000ft, slowed to 40kt, then descended rapidly off the screen. It took 8 hours to find the wreckage, which appears to have crashed into shallow water in a flat attitude with no forward speed, possibly with engines off. One theory is that it somehow got into a vortex ring. The air force has taken over the investigation, and have the flight and voice recorders, don't know if cause will be released as it may be deemed to be embarrassing to the royal family.
The pilots were a local captain (Reasonably experienced, but only a couple of hundred hours on type. He was instrument rated on a 412, and had a CPL) and deputy ops officer as copilot (Experienced and fully qualified, but only flew occasionally, and then mainly due to shortage of pilots.) Picked up 3 passengers to take to an island, one being the minister of police and brother of the president. He apparently insisted on getting in to the copilots seat, and John Hanley, the copilot, reluctantly got in the back. As they left the lit up area they were cleared from 1000 ft to 1500. The radar trace shows they climbed somewhat erratically to 2000ft, slowed to 40kt, then descended rapidly off the screen. It took 8 hours to find the wreckage, which appears to have crashed into shallow water in a flat attitude with no forward speed, possibly with engines off. One theory is that it somehow got into a vortex ring. The air force has taken over the investigation, and have the flight and voice recorders, don't know if cause will be released as it may be deemed to be embarrassing to the royal family.
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Incorrect Presentation
The data you appear to be an authority on is indeed without merit.
The co-pilot was not ticketed on a 412, in fact he was not current at all. IAW with the current GCAA CAR's he was not qualified to be in the aircraft for the engine start.
Please, before the uninitiated whining starts allow the healing process to continue and the families to grieve their loss.
Sources tell Agusta will not be given the FDR/CVR and only attend the unveiling. An expert, certainly not SHAME-GUSTA, is en route to allow for a quick closure for local custom.
The Airforce in all their folly will surrender the data to GCAA/ADA for a truly complete assessment
Those not educated enough to be sensitive to Islam need not apply, as was the author of the preceding photo who has been incarcerated.
The current manning level at ADA has ONE licensed engineer for 20 helicopters. The saving for the operations department is that they BLAME engineering for the lack of serviceable aircraft for customer demand, this driven by an impotent employment committee that advocated the banishment of Aussies.
There has only been a single expatriate on site for the two days A6-BBB was in the water. Being as he is the single most experienced AW139 in the gulf the answers to your questions will be without substance.
The co-pilot was not ticketed on a 412, in fact he was not current at all. IAW with the current GCAA CAR's he was not qualified to be in the aircraft for the engine start.
Please, before the uninitiated whining starts allow the healing process to continue and the families to grieve their loss.
Sources tell Agusta will not be given the FDR/CVR and only attend the unveiling. An expert, certainly not SHAME-GUSTA, is en route to allow for a quick closure for local custom.
The Airforce in all their folly will surrender the data to GCAA/ADA for a truly complete assessment
Those not educated enough to be sensitive to Islam need not apply, as was the author of the preceding photo who has been incarcerated.
The current manning level at ADA has ONE licensed engineer for 20 helicopters. The saving for the operations department is that they BLAME engineering for the lack of serviceable aircraft for customer demand, this driven by an impotent employment committee that advocated the banishment of Aussies.
There has only been a single expatriate on site for the two days A6-BBB was in the water. Being as he is the single most experienced AW139 in the gulf the answers to your questions will be without substance.
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Well in true gulf style this is sounding like a Right Royal F
Up of extreme proportions.
The truth of this will never come out given whom the passengers were. But given what has been said, add your buckets of salt and then some.
An accident that should never have happened.
Thankfully in our mob all clients are banned from the front end they have all been explicitly told to turn right at the top of the stairs!
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Up of extreme proportions.The truth of this will never come out given whom the passengers were. But given what has been said, add your buckets of salt and then some.
An accident that should never have happened.
Thankfully in our mob all clients are banned from the front end they have all been explicitly told to turn right at the top of the stairs!
Ma’a salama
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I am confused, are you saying that the crew composition was different to that as stated in the post by Brian Abraham
I am confused, are you saying that the crew composition was different to that as stated in the post by Brian Abraham
The pilots were a local captain (Reasonably experienced, but only a couple of hundred hours on type. He was instrument rated on a 412, and had a CPL) and deputy ops officer as copilot (Experienced and fully qualified, but only flew occasionally, and then mainly due to shortage of pilots.)
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What I was getting at is a lack of horizon can happen in snow conditions, or over water which looks like the case in this event (just by what im looking at in the photo). And obviously a lack of horizon can make flying rather difficult, even for experienced pilots.
What I was getting at is a lack of horizon can happen in snow conditions, or over water which looks like the case in this event (just by what im looking at in the photo). And obviously a lack of horizon can make flying rather difficult, even for experienced pilots.
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they have question why the ELT did not work ? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
second, if the crash is that bad its not an emergency to find the wreck.e.g everyone is dead
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Apologies FlungDung we don't operate that type in NZ as we have had numerous ELT's that haven't gone off after heavy impact or that have been drowned in the drink I can think of FOUR right now if you like, A hughes 500, R22, EC120, Cessena 185..Actually they probably have operated in the split second they made contact with water/ground
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Your Gleaned Information Is Wrong.either Get The Correct Information Or Say Nothing So That Truth And Accuracy Can Be The Vehicle To Define The Real Events.perhaps You Should Keep Your Gossip To Yourself
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Please excuse my naïveté but let me make sure I am reading this correctly…
We have experienced the first fatal accident of a helicopter with an all-digital cockpit suite. The accident may have have occurred in weather conditions that were MVFR at best. The CVR and FDR have been recovered but have not yet been downloaded. Why isn’t this community screaming? Heaven forbid it was an issue with the hardware or the interface that led to this event (not saying it was, just laying out the argument, lets be honest, MFDs do go dark), a data point that would (if the data is not reviewed) otherwise go undetected for some other poor souls to discover….
Is anyone pressing (manufacturer, crew families, etc.) for the data to be downloaded? Is there any way we can support these efforts?
We have experienced the first fatal accident of a helicopter with an all-digital cockpit suite. The accident may have have occurred in weather conditions that were MVFR at best. The CVR and FDR have been recovered but have not yet been downloaded. Why isn’t this community screaming? Heaven forbid it was an issue with the hardware or the interface that led to this event (not saying it was, just laying out the argument, lets be honest, MFDs do go dark), a data point that would (if the data is not reviewed) otherwise go undetected for some other poor souls to discover….
Is anyone pressing (manufacturer, crew families, etc.) for the data to be downloaded? Is there any way we can support these efforts?
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yup read dozens of these post accident threads. they all go the same way, a bit of info comes out then everyone starts guessing and then it gets real weird and irrelevant.
Its the best and worst of this site.
This should have stopped about 10 replys ago...but carry on, everybody get their hokey theories out.
Its the best and worst of this site.
This should have stopped about 10 replys ago...but carry on, everybody get their hokey theories out.
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Your Gleaned Information Is Wrong.either Get The Correct Information Or Say Nothing So That Truth And Accuracy Can Be The Vehicle To Define The Real Events.perhaps You Should Keep Your Gossip To Yourself
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Abu Dhabi
Hi Brian,
Not trying to sound too pedantic, but would you please correct the spelling of Abu Dhabi on this thread? Condolences to all who have been affected by this tragedy.
Not trying to sound too pedantic, but would you please correct the spelling of Abu Dhabi on this thread? Condolences to all who have been affected by this tragedy.
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Jolly Girl,
Your asking the questions no one is wanting to push, but wanting answered.
I'm asking the same but don't see the names that would be current to the AW139 forum here. Maybe we should take it there?
K
Your asking the questions no one is wanting to push, but wanting answered.
I'm asking the same but don't see the names that would be current to the AW139 forum here. Maybe we should take it there?
K
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Speculation overload!
hate to burst your bubble "K" and "jolly girl"but no one gives a S..t what you guys want. You can go round in circles with comments about the weather being "MVFR at best" and assumptions on whats happening with the CVR/FDR then go into a spin over all the possible options on what happened.
Augusta dont care what a couple of people on a website want, it will all happen (or not) independent of you.
Relax and wait for the report like everyone else, or if you have NEW information lets hear it.
Augusta dont care what a couple of people on a website want, it will all happen (or not) independent of you.
Relax and wait for the report like everyone else, or if you have NEW information lets hear it.