Cleveland Police go it alone!!!!!!!!
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Cleveland Police go it alone!!!!!!!!
OF course, if Cleveland are going to go it alone and no longer contribute to the Northumbrian end, the question now is, can Northumbria/Durham afford to continue without them???
Is there a senior officer now beavering away on a career enhancing powerpoint presentation to show that it can/can't be done?
Is there a senior officer now beavering away on a career enhancing powerpoint presentation to show that it can/can't be done?
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I concur, with a hearty "Well done!" to the CC responsible for his foresight in insisting on continued air support. 
I wonder how long it will be before an adjacent CC goes cap in hand asking for a little cross-border help?
I wonder how long it will be before an adjacent CC goes cap in hand asking for a little cross-border help?
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Established by March 2009 !!!
Noticed in the press recently that Cleveland plan to have their own ASU operational by next March. What kind of time frame will it take for them to get the PAOC in place and briefly what does it entail.
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Latest costs published
Re the costs, some new information has just been released by the CC from the small Cleveland Police force.
Information Courtesy of Cleveland Police, and the CPA Councillor McLuckie (£100k pa expenses man) ;
3.1 In September 2008, Cleveland Police Authority placed an order for a new helicopter to replace our present aircraft. The new helicopter is a Eurocopter EC135 P2i which was part of a bulk purchase of 6 aircraft. The specification of each of these aircraft was designed by bringing experts together from police aviation and procurement. The subsequent aircraft were all then identical which will save costs over their lifetime when it comes to any alterations that are required.
3.2
Following the acceptance process in December, the aircraft was finally accepted on the 4th January 2011
and arrived in Cleveland the same day. The new aircraft is now fully operational in the Force area. This is a major success story for the Force and the Police Authority.
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3.3
In respect of the payment schedule, Cleveland Police have now paid all sums to Eurocopter apart from a small retention portion which will be paid in 12 months time assuming no issues develop.
3.4
Cleveland have received a guaranteed trade in for our existing helicopter of £1million and if it subsequently is resold for more than this amount, then Cleveland would receive 50% of this profit, less any transactional costs. In the present market it is unknown if we will receive any extra funds from the sale.
3.5
Cleveland Police were awarded a 40% grant towards the purchase of this new helicopter which has been received in full.
Implications
4.1 Financial
The table below shows the payments made for the helicopter: Payment
Date
Amount
Deposit (10%)
April 2009
£518k
Home Office Grant Received
July 2010
£1,596k
‘Accepted’ payment
July 2010
£3.6m
‘Delivery’ Payment
Jan 2011
£964k
‘Trade-in’ of current helicopter
Dec 2010 / Jan 2011
£1m
Retention payment
January 2012
£0.1m
= £5,182,000
4.2 The fluctuations in the exchange rate of Sterling versus both the Euro and US Dollar had the potential to impact significantly on the overall cost of the helicopter purchase. However rates have proven more stable and so this has not adversely affected the overall costs.
4.3 There are no further financial implications arising from this report.
4.4 Diversity and Equal Opportunities
There are no diversity or equal opportunities implications arising from this report.
4.5 Human Rights Act
There are no Human Rights Act implications arising from this report.
4.6 Sustainability
There are no sustainability implications arising from this report.
4.7 Risk
There are no risk implications arising from this report.
2 3
5 Conclusions
5.1 The purchase of a new helicopter is a major success for a relatively small force. The helicopter we now own and operate is the most advanced in the world and will have a major benefit to Policing in Cleveland.
Sean Price
Chief Constable
http://www.clevelandpa.org.uk/admin/...Helicopter.pdf
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And this is the same Chief Constable who is in the process of sacking 230 experienced cops!
Information Courtesy of Cleveland Police, and the CPA Councillor McLuckie (£100k pa expenses man) ;
3.1 In September 2008, Cleveland Police Authority placed an order for a new helicopter to replace our present aircraft. The new helicopter is a Eurocopter EC135 P2i which was part of a bulk purchase of 6 aircraft. The specification of each of these aircraft was designed by bringing experts together from police aviation and procurement. The subsequent aircraft were all then identical which will save costs over their lifetime when it comes to any alterations that are required.
3.2
Following the acceptance process in December, the aircraft was finally accepted on the 4th January 2011
and arrived in Cleveland the same day. The new aircraft is now fully operational in the Force area. This is a major success story for the Force and the Police Authority.
1
3.3
In respect of the payment schedule, Cleveland Police have now paid all sums to Eurocopter apart from a small retention portion which will be paid in 12 months time assuming no issues develop.
3.4
Cleveland have received a guaranteed trade in for our existing helicopter of £1million and if it subsequently is resold for more than this amount, then Cleveland would receive 50% of this profit, less any transactional costs. In the present market it is unknown if we will receive any extra funds from the sale.
3.5
Cleveland Police were awarded a 40% grant towards the purchase of this new helicopter which has been received in full.
Implications
4.1 Financial
The table below shows the payments made for the helicopter: Payment
Date
Amount
Deposit (10%)
April 2009
£518k
Home Office Grant Received
July 2010
£1,596k
‘Accepted’ payment
July 2010
£3.6m
‘Delivery’ Payment
Jan 2011
£964k
‘Trade-in’ of current helicopter
Dec 2010 / Jan 2011
£1m
Retention payment
January 2012
£0.1m
= £5,182,000
4.2 The fluctuations in the exchange rate of Sterling versus both the Euro and US Dollar had the potential to impact significantly on the overall cost of the helicopter purchase. However rates have proven more stable and so this has not adversely affected the overall costs.
4.3 There are no further financial implications arising from this report.
4.4 Diversity and Equal Opportunities
There are no diversity or equal opportunities implications arising from this report.
4.5 Human Rights Act
There are no Human Rights Act implications arising from this report.
4.6 Sustainability
There are no sustainability implications arising from this report.
4.7 Risk
There are no risk implications arising from this report.
2 3
5 Conclusions
5.1 The purchase of a new helicopter is a major success for a relatively small force. The helicopter we now own and operate is the most advanced in the world and will have a major benefit to Policing in Cleveland.
Sean Price
Chief Constable
http://www.clevelandpa.org.uk/admin/...Helicopter.pdf
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And this is the same Chief Constable who is in the process of sacking 230 experienced cops!
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Sounds like they need some Squirrels or Jetrangers in order to meet the budget requirements?
Or just eliminate helicopters entirely. It's a tough choice when you have no money!
Or just eliminate helicopters entirely. It's a tough choice when you have no money!
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£7,778,000 that's nearly £8 million!
I hadn't seen the latest report from Chief Constabule Price regarding Cleveland's new EC135 G-CPAS up here in smoggy, but after using my large calcualtor to crunch those numbers from that web link, I make that nearly £8 MILLION with the grant and trade in against the old bucket G-NESV included to pay for the latest flymo.
Is that the cheapest deal the home office could get out of Eurocopter for the new 6 ship deal? I thought by buying in bulk the cost came down?
£7,778,000 Thats a lot of Peso's in anyones money!
There goes my council tax bill for next year. All Paid for by Cleveland's poor pensionaires but operated around the country by NPAS and BTP free of charge.
I bet Ms Tilton of the shiney dress attire could have offered a better discount especially if Joep was about meeting and greeting.
How much does a new MD 902 Police equipped Explorer come in at these days? anyone down at PAS know?
If its cheaper than 8 million quid I would have thought she would have cornered the police market with her NOTARS.
I'm neither pro 135 or 902 but am a little concerned at the public money being spent up here in smoggy cleveland.
Is that the cheapest deal the home office could get out of Eurocopter for the new 6 ship deal? I thought by buying in bulk the cost came down?
£7,778,000 Thats a lot of Peso's in anyones money!
There goes my council tax bill for next year. All Paid for by Cleveland's poor pensionaires but operated around the country by NPAS and BTP free of charge.
I bet Ms Tilton of the shiney dress attire could have offered a better discount especially if Joep was about meeting and greeting.
How much does a new MD 902 Police equipped Explorer come in at these days? anyone down at PAS know?
If its cheaper than 8 million quid I would have thought she would have cornered the police market with her NOTARS.
I'm neither pro 135 or 902 but am a little concerned at the public money being spent up here in smoggy cleveland.
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You was robbed at that price Mr Price
Props, you and your clan were robbed, that Mr Price and the other fella the police authority councillor McDuckie or whatever he's called up there, must have very deep pockets paying £5,182,000 in cash for his latest must have 135 
I'll ask around Staverton when I'm next in, unless Henk is online and can answer the question ---- how much is a police 902 Exploder these days?????????
I'll go 50/50 and say that Henk will do one for you at £4 mill.
I'll ask around Staverton when I'm next in, unless Henk is online and can answer the question ---- how much is a police 902 Exploder these days?????????
I'll go 50/50 and say that Henk will do one for you at £4 mill.
Limits, I'm with you, I make it £2,486,000 paid so far with £100,000 held back for 12 months. That's a good deal, I think.
Even without trade-in and home office grant it's reasonable given current exchange rates (and almost £3,000,000 less than props stopped suggested).
Even without trade-in and home office grant it's reasonable given current exchange rates (and almost £3,000,000 less than props stopped suggested).
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Props....Just because you add the Cleveland figures up to nearly 8 million don't be under the illusion that all 6 cost that amount. As pointed out by others that is not an entirely correct figure but I can assure you that those who fixed the price against currncy fluctuations spent nowhere near that figure. As for 902s .. after a full and fair procurement process the best value aircraft was chosen.
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I know it was late when I was number crunching so will try again.
These are the figures as given by CC Price on the Cleveland website of the cash paid from what I can see.
£0518,000 deposit paid.
£3,600,000 payment made.
£0964,000 delivery payment.
=£5,082,000 without trade in, or retention payment.
£1,000,000 trade in.
£1,596,000 Home Office grant
=£2,596,000
So from what I can read between those lines is that Cleveland Police actually paid £5,082,000 cash without the next £100k retention payment to be handed over.
What was the actual price paid by others?
How much is a new police role equipped EC135 - £5, 6 or 7 million?
Whats a normal 135 cost without the kit on, I thought they were at least £5m?
These are the figures as given by CC Price on the Cleveland website of the cash paid from what I can see.
£0518,000 deposit paid.
£3,600,000 payment made.
£0964,000 delivery payment.
=£5,082,000 without trade in, or retention payment.
£1,000,000 trade in.
£1,596,000 Home Office grant
=£2,596,000
So from what I can read between those lines is that Cleveland Police actually paid £5,082,000 cash without the next £100k retention payment to be handed over.
What was the actual price paid by others?
How much is a new police role equipped EC135 - £5, 6 or 7 million?
Whats a normal 135 cost without the kit on, I thought they were at least £5m?