Jayrow (incl. Pay & Conditions/EBA)
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Bladebanger,
May I suggest your "mate" invest in a calculator and get his sums right.
Maybe a CASA approved calculator so he/she can use it to get his ATPL and advance on to "twins" which you loath so much.. and get the theory subjects and exams paid for by Jayrow and get the ATPL allowance as well.
When the EBA is published and made public then the truth will come out..
I think then, you may need another name change...
May I suggest your "mate" invest in a calculator and get his sums right.
Maybe a CASA approved calculator so he/she can use it to get his ATPL and advance on to "twins" which you loath so much.. and get the theory subjects and exams paid for by Jayrow and get the ATPL allowance as well.
When the EBA is published and made public then the truth will come out..
I think then, you may need another name change...
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Manipulating The Figures
BB,
You're playing with the numbers mate. Is your "mate" B206 NT based or MPT in WA? (Our single ops). Either way you haven't included his area allowance in your figure of $73600 or the NEW MPT shift allowance if that's applicable.
You are manipulating the numbers to suit your anti-Jayrow agenda. I can guarantee he will receive a tidy pay rise.
You obviously don't work for us which is a bummer for you, because you could be on some good coin now!
You're playing with the numbers mate. Is your "mate" B206 NT based or MPT in WA? (Our single ops). Either way you haven't included his area allowance in your figure of $73600 or the NEW MPT shift allowance if that's applicable.
You are manipulating the numbers to suit your anti-Jayrow agenda. I can guarantee he will receive a tidy pay rise.
You obviously don't work for us which is a bummer for you, because you could be on some good coin now!
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I think Banger is onto something. Let's extrapolate.......
$73,600 Base Salary for one engine, therfore $147,200 Base Salary for Two engines.
Back to the Hammock.......................
$73,600 Base Salary for one engine, therfore $147,200 Base Salary for Two engines.
Back to the Hammock.......................
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Where not on the same page.
Jayrowpilot2,
I am talking about base Salary. Not no add ons or anything else.
He gets $85 now and will get $73600 if the EBA goes ahead.
I notice you use the term "MATE" as if this guy is just a number. Read my posts to find out where he is employed.
I have no aganda with Jayrow at all. I just want a fair deal for ALL Jayrow drivers.
Maxy, if they could get it that way they would. Good to see your still kicking.
Banger
I am talking about base Salary. Not no add ons or anything else.
He gets $85 now and will get $73600 if the EBA goes ahead.
I notice you use the term "MATE" as if this guy is just a number. Read my posts to find out where he is employed.
I have no aganda with Jayrow at all. I just want a fair deal for ALL Jayrow drivers.
Maxy, if they could get it that way they would. Good to see your still kicking.
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BB
Can you clarify the 85k your mate quotes, does it include all the add ons such as remote area, NVFR, ATPL and so on. I would imagine it does. Its not a fair comparision comparing his past deal with all the add ons to the new eba and only quoting the base salary without the add ons.
As for the MPT boys with the MPT shift allowances and other adds ons they are pretty much up there with the twin engine rates.
Can you clarify the 85k your mate quotes, does it include all the add ons such as remote area, NVFR, ATPL and so on. I would imagine it does. Its not a fair comparision comparing his past deal with all the add ons to the new eba and only quoting the base salary without the add ons.
As for the MPT boys with the MPT shift allowances and other adds ons they are pretty much up there with the twin engine rates.
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Blade Banger,
You're talking about one individual. I've done the sums and there's only one pilot in the NT who would fit the situation you describe and I think I know who he is. That guy should talk to the pilot reps and voice his concerns so they can be brought to the attention of management. Something will be worked out. The aim is that no-one is short changed out of this new agreement.
You're talking about one individual. I've done the sums and there's only one pilot in the NT who would fit the situation you describe and I think I know who he is. That guy should talk to the pilot reps and voice his concerns so they can be brought to the attention of management. Something will be worked out. The aim is that no-one is short changed out of this new agreement.
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Thanyou
Jayrowpilot2,
Thankyou. I think you are in the picture now. I have also told him to contact the pilot reps and get them to sort it out.
Skidsoff.
READ the posts. ITS $85K WITH NO ADD ONS. FOR THE LAST TIME. Everything else is added to the $85K.
Banger
Thankyou. I think you are in the picture now. I have also told him to contact the pilot reps and get them to sort it out.
Skidsoff.
READ the posts. ITS $85K WITH NO ADD ONS. FOR THE LAST TIME. Everything else is added to the $85K.
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Time to Vote
It has been a long and drawn out process, but tomorrow is the day for Jayrow Pilots to cast their vote on the new EBA.
From what I can ascertain the boys are mostly satisfied with the final draft. Negotiations definitely improved after a certain senior manager moved on.
Having observed this EBA from its conception its great to see it finally come to fruition. Well done guys.
Time to start working on 2011 .....you know how long it takes
From what I can ascertain the boys are mostly satisfied with the final draft. Negotiations definitely improved after a certain senior manager moved on.
Having observed this EBA from its conception its great to see it finally come to fruition. Well done guys.
Time to start working on 2011 .....you know how long it takes
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Think that is Old News.
Jayrow don't have any ERA aircraft anymore, therefore they won't need USA crews.
Think you will find that that Advert was for ERA not Jayrow, in trying to crew their aircraft when it was working in Oz.
Think you will find that that Advert was for ERA not Jayrow, in trying to crew their aircraft when it was working in Oz.
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Can anyone give me the current situation Re offshore Co P's. Are the advertised minimums a reality or are JR looking for more? also pay rates if poss. I'm a sub 200 newby and just looking at which direction to head.
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BusterG
****e these are heavy...
Thanks,
BusterG
****e these are heavy...
Sub 200 hours for an IFR co-pilot position is very optimistic. But you never know. I've found that company's rarely follow the specified minimums when appointing Captain or Co-pilot to positions, they tend to hire who they like whether they meet those minimums or not.
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High NR
Jayrow do still have the ERA C++ on lease but it has been moved onto the VH register and is now crewed and maintained by Australian Crews. It is based in West Sale, Victoria currently and is on contract.
Jayrow do still have the ERA C++ on lease but it has been moved onto the VH register and is now crewed and maintained by Australian Crews. It is based in West Sale, Victoria currently and is on contract.
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GulliBell,
Thanks for reply.
Advertised min req for CoP is 250hrs heli. so wouldn't apply until then.
Are all off shore jobs within J on a 15on/13off basis and can you be based anywhere? East coast at the mo.
Is there much of an advantage having ATPLs squared away?
Any idea what CoP basic would be.
Cheers,
BusterG
Thanks for reply.
Advertised min req for CoP is 250hrs heli. so wouldn't apply until then.
Are all off shore jobs within J on a 15on/13off basis and can you be based anywhere? East coast at the mo.
Is there much of an advantage having ATPLs squared away?
Any idea what CoP basic would be.
Cheers,
BusterG
Buster, if you start as a co-pilot with 250Hours where will your command time come from? Do Jayrow do ICUS to get people through the ATPL command requirements?
Are they Looking for Co pilots at the moment or Pilots for other parts of the operation?
Cheers
Are they Looking for Co pilots at the moment or Pilots for other parts of the operation?
Cheers
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Buster G, need min hours command etc for the ATPL to be issued but that doesn't stop you doing the theory tests and having them forever in your hot little hand. I reckon that shows only good things to an employer and saves the mad and stressful rush to get it later on when suddenly you need them. You can study em at home if you like too. I did both fixed and rotary wing after a few dodgy starts thru particularly dodgy characters thru (and no its not an advert just a really glowing recommendation!!) AFT in QLD,, they were and i spose still are very very good at it.
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Vote Closed
Vote for the EBA closed today and from what I hear it was pretty much a unanimous YES. A long drawn out process that has finished with a good result for all; that means single engine, onshore, offshore, captains and co-pilots. Not just looking after offshore captains at the expense of others. The pilot committee received excellent support from the AFAP. Couldn't have done it without them.
Also C++ is right, this thing would have been a lot more untidy if the previous senior manager had still been in place.
Finished up with a package across the board that matches what Bristow have put on the table.
Also C++ is right, this thing would have been a lot more untidy if the previous senior manager had still been in place.
Finished up with a package across the board that matches what Bristow have put on the table.