Jayrow (incl. Pay & Conditions/EBA)
United Front
I have heard from two sources now that a united front is exactly what the Jayrow pilots have formed.
We all know from the BHA/CHC negotiations that a united group of pilots is what is required to get these wage changes through.
Previous replies mentioned that their management have a few options, one of which is to test the resolve of the pilots. In the current climate and with what I am hearing about the pilot group involved, the management of Jayrow might want to think twice before calling the bluff of these characters.
It should be good to watch, I have my popcorn in the microwave and a comfy seat. Keep the rumours coming.
Good luck chaps.
We all know from the BHA/CHC negotiations that a united group of pilots is what is required to get these wage changes through.
Previous replies mentioned that their management have a few options, one of which is to test the resolve of the pilots. In the current climate and with what I am hearing about the pilot group involved, the management of Jayrow might want to think twice before calling the bluff of these characters.
It should be good to watch, I have my popcorn in the microwave and a comfy seat. Keep the rumours coming.
Good luck chaps.
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Jayrow Tourers
It was my understanding that Jayrow only had a couple of tourers. No-one regularly tours to Tooradin as I understand it, so I think you might be out of luck to tour from the west pohm.
It's Russian Roulette trying to push the pilots' resolve on an EBA issue when they are majority AFAP members and united nationwide to stick together.
Jayrow management - why don't you just come to the table and deal, avoid any animosity, and talk to your clients now for the increased wages bill. It's not a "tail between the legs" thing, it is the commercial reality of the market. You must see that guys will just go to CHC or Bristow to do the same type of work if you don't - leaving you ending up defaulting on contracts and losing them, or facing an HR crisis and massive re-training costs. It's not a malicious thing on behalf of the pilot body, merely market forces on pay and conditions.
It's Russian Roulette trying to push the pilots' resolve on an EBA issue when they are majority AFAP members and united nationwide to stick together.
Jayrow management - why don't you just come to the table and deal, avoid any animosity, and talk to your clients now for the increased wages bill. It's not a "tail between the legs" thing, it is the commercial reality of the market. You must see that guys will just go to CHC or Bristow to do the same type of work if you don't - leaving you ending up defaulting on contracts and losing them, or facing an HR crisis and massive re-training costs. It's not a malicious thing on behalf of the pilot body, merely market forces on pay and conditions.
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ApocalypseThen
AP,
Lets keep the personal, racist insults out of the discussions lest this thread go the way of previous Jayrow threads. No need for that kind of comment.
Let Jayrow management's lack of response speak for itself.
GG
Lets keep the personal, racist insults out of the discussions lest this thread go the way of previous Jayrow threads. No need for that kind of comment.
Let Jayrow management's lack of response speak for itself.
GG
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Tooradin Drivers.
Where do you guys fly to and who for ? Apart from the eba issue, gives us all a heads up on your daily routine if you dont mind. Nothing like looking over the fence
Pan
Where do you guys fly to and who for ? Apart from the eba issue, gives us all a heads up on your daily routine if you dont mind. Nothing like looking over the fence
Pan
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Jayrow Daily Routine
4 Days On, 2 Days Off
Normally 0600 sign on for a 12 hr Duty Day ie out the gate at 1800.
A large percentage of these days spent shutdown offshore for the day.
Flying 50 odd hours a month.
We need an EBA.
Normally 0600 sign on for a 12 hr Duty Day ie out the gate at 1800.
A large percentage of these days spent shutdown offshore for the day.
Flying 50 odd hours a month.
We need an EBA.
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Is it true that Jayrow's last recruit for the offshore ops was a 140hr co-pilot straight out of a CPL?
Would this poor pilot have enough hours for any of the contracts?
Is Jayrow having recruiting problems?
Or is this just more chinese whispers?
Would this poor pilot have enough hours for any of the contracts?
Is Jayrow having recruiting problems?
Or is this just more chinese whispers?
All quiet on the Western front
This thread has been very quiet lately.
Obviously you guys got what you were after.
So what did you finally sign off on?
Does that leave just CHC to finalise their EBA?
Obviously you guys got what you were after.
So what did you finally sign off on?
Does that leave just CHC to finalise their EBA?
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Nothing Sorted
Igor,
Nothing sorted yet mate. The next EBA meeting is start of July and if the company doesn't finally put something on the table we won't be happy. The pilots are ALL united and have pretty much run out of patience. We've all got mates in the other companies and like what they're telling us. Just want to see if we can make our terms and conditions at Jayrow better first.
Heliringer,
Positions are normally advertised internally first and if not filled then advertised externally. Doesn't hurt though just to send your details off to the Chief Pilot anyway. His e-mail is [email protected]
Hope that helps.
Nothing sorted yet mate. The next EBA meeting is start of July and if the company doesn't finally put something on the table we won't be happy. The pilots are ALL united and have pretty much run out of patience. We've all got mates in the other companies and like what they're telling us. Just want to see if we can make our terms and conditions at Jayrow better first.
Heliringer,
Positions are normally advertised internally first and if not filled then advertised externally. Doesn't hurt though just to send your details off to the Chief Pilot anyway. His e-mail is [email protected]
Hope that helps.
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If I was a betting man I think it would be on the other companies gaining some Jayrow Pilots.
Bristows 1st as they have T & C's signed off.
Helicopters Australia 2nd as they have seen the light and will be matching Bristow.A slight plus for them is the new aircraft type incentive that might lure some.
3rd CHC Why because they are not in the top 2.
And a now distant 4th Jayrow.They used to be 3rd (only ever was 3?) but the new player is far more professional.
When will JAYROW wake up and see the light. It had better be soon or the growth will come to a grinding halt.
Good luck to JayrowPilot2 and the rest of the pilots.
Bristows 1st as they have T & C's signed off.
Helicopters Australia 2nd as they have seen the light and will be matching Bristow.A slight plus for them is the new aircraft type incentive that might lure some.
3rd CHC Why because they are not in the top 2.
And a now distant 4th Jayrow.They used to be 3rd (only ever was 3?) but the new player is far more professional.
When will JAYROW wake up and see the light. It had better be soon or the growth will come to a grinding halt.
Good luck to JayrowPilot2 and the rest of the pilots.
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Heard that Piggy McBeath 
is now the marketing manager for Jayrow !!!! good luck to all the pilots in trying to get an increase in pay with piggy in the headshed the standard responce from him is NO! and damn reality.
Helicopters Australia should look good!!
is now the marketing manager for Jayrow !!!! good luck to all the pilots in trying to get an increase in pay with piggy in the headshed the standard responce from him is NO! and damn reality.Helicopters Australia should look good!!
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It's 'D' time at Jayrow's
Guys,
The next few days should make for very interesting reading on PPRuNe with regards to this particular thread.
I hope that Jayrow management have just been playing silly buggers up to this point and will now re-enter negotiations in good faith. Not knowing the individuals responsible for the management of this second tier operator, but knowing very well some of the pilots there, it should be a fascinating 'battle'.
Jayrow's are now so far behind the conditions being offered by other operators, they need to be realistic. Right now, I estimate their pilots are approximately $50 - $60, 000 behind the likes of BHA and possibly HA (but I have yet to see an actual offer), but then who has left the organisation lately?
I think it'll take the resignation of a couple of their Capt's to get things moving along but I hope I'm wrong. It's in everyones interest for the Jayrow guys to get a good result but trust me when I say, I personally know of a couple of pilots that WILL move on unless the first couple of days in Jul prove satisfactory.
I applaud the solidarity of the pilots in firstly trying to appeal to management's commonsense before just bailing. What a fantastic opportunity for the Jayrow guys to better their conditions. There is so much work out there, that if they don't come to the party, BHA, HA or CHC surely will.
In fact, I recently introduced one of my Jayrow buddies to my PIC in Melbourne and I have no doubt he would be recommended for a position should he resign from Jayrow's. Certainly, I would recommend him in a heart beat.
In this respect, they should be very optimistic about their future prospects. Further, have a look at what is happening around the world - what a great time to be a well qualified pilot with a moderate amount of experience!
I look forward to soon hearing that either Jayrow's are negotiating properly, or alternatively, meeting some more of their pilots as new colleagues of mine.
P68
The next few days should make for very interesting reading on PPRuNe with regards to this particular thread.
I hope that Jayrow management have just been playing silly buggers up to this point and will now re-enter negotiations in good faith. Not knowing the individuals responsible for the management of this second tier operator, but knowing very well some of the pilots there, it should be a fascinating 'battle'.
Jayrow's are now so far behind the conditions being offered by other operators, they need to be realistic. Right now, I estimate their pilots are approximately $50 - $60, 000 behind the likes of BHA and possibly HA (but I have yet to see an actual offer), but then who has left the organisation lately?
I think it'll take the resignation of a couple of their Capt's to get things moving along but I hope I'm wrong. It's in everyones interest for the Jayrow guys to get a good result but trust me when I say, I personally know of a couple of pilots that WILL move on unless the first couple of days in Jul prove satisfactory.
I applaud the solidarity of the pilots in firstly trying to appeal to management's commonsense before just bailing. What a fantastic opportunity for the Jayrow guys to better their conditions. There is so much work out there, that if they don't come to the party, BHA, HA or CHC surely will.
In fact, I recently introduced one of my Jayrow buddies to my PIC in Melbourne and I have no doubt he would be recommended for a position should he resign from Jayrow's. Certainly, I would recommend him in a heart beat.
In this respect, they should be very optimistic about their future prospects. Further, have a look at what is happening around the world - what a great time to be a well qualified pilot with a moderate amount of experience!
I look forward to soon hearing that either Jayrow's are negotiating properly, or alternatively, meeting some more of their pilots as new colleagues of mine.
P68
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Standby
Anyone got the latest on the Jayrow EBA?
According to my intel a meeting was held last week.
The outcome of that meeting is yet to be announced.
The one thing I can ascertain is the Pilots are not leaving in droves
Something tells me these guys may have achieved their objective.
Plonkey you might want to reconsider your wager.
The suspense is killing me
According to my intel a meeting was held last week.
The outcome of that meeting is yet to be announced.
The one thing I can ascertain is the Pilots are not leaving in droves
Something tells me these guys may have achieved their objective.
Plonkey you might want to reconsider your wager.
The suspense is killing me
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Ho Hum.
I understand that the professional attitude of both groups, [note that I have not said 'opposite sides"] is reported to me as being successful in achieving a better deal than any other tier one operator [noting that CHC is taking industrial action now].
And if the detractors: papa68, plonky, jayrow pilot2 [not really in the fold I suspect], plom1, and others get a life and realise that this pilot group and management, that has lead the pack since the ownership change occurred, will continue to work together, and guess what? they will continue to lead the game.
All the above, from a highly reliable source.
Anyone have a different confirmed aspect? [Apart from the detractors that would complain if they won solo 1st Division].
And if the detractors: papa68, plonky, jayrow pilot2 [not really in the fold I suspect], plom1, and others get a life and realise that this pilot group and management, that has lead the pack since the ownership change occurred, will continue to work together, and guess what? they will continue to lead the game.
All the above, from a highly reliable source.
Anyone have a different confirmed aspect? [Apart from the detractors that would complain if they won solo 1st Division].
Last edited by High Nr; 8th Jul 2008 at 12:40.
Detractor? I don't think so, a little bit of sarcasm was obviously lost on some,so I clarified.......
I have recently benefited from a substantial rise in terms and conditions, and only hope Jayrow can do the same, thus achieving the much sought "tier one " status.
P1
I guess we need a smiley face with his "tongue in cheek"
I have recently benefited from a substantial rise in terms and conditions, and only hope Jayrow can do the same, thus achieving the much sought "tier one " status.
P1