Jayrow (incl. Pay & Conditions/EBA)
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Lift the lever to control your High Nr
High Nr,
Not sure where all the detractor, "get a life" and the complaining about winning 1st Division (in Lotto I presume) came from, but it all seems a little over the top.
Firstly, the problems between management and the Pilot Committee at Jayrow have been well documented and is irrefutable. The fact that resolution may have been achieved ultimately (I'm sworn to secrecy), has nothing to do with this fact. It is the way of negotiation is it not?
I can't find the bit where I'm a detractor as such. I have stated nothing but facts (as presented by Jayrow pilots) and a certain amount of common sense based on experience. I have also continually praised the Jayrow pilots and their efforts in bettering their conditions. Did you actually read my post or make an effort to see where I was coming from? Clearly not. Go on have another look...
As I have continually stated on this, and other threads, it is in the interests of all pilots that all operators offer continually improving conditions. Should CHC and Jayrow for instance stall in this regard, it would leave little room to move for BHA's next EBA which starts in early 2010. So I say it again - I wish both Jayrow and CHC success in their EBA talks.
My commenting on this issue does not, contrary to what you suggest, mean I need to get a life, particularly as I gave considerable thought to what I wrote but I do appreciate your concern nonetheless.
And how you can deduce that I would complain about winning 1st Division from my posts defies description*.
I suggest you spend a little more time injecting some useful and objective commentary and less time shooting from the hip with emotive and inaccurate diatribe.
P68
*For the record, I would love to win it.
Not sure where all the detractor, "get a life" and the complaining about winning 1st Division (in Lotto I presume) came from, but it all seems a little over the top.
Firstly, the problems between management and the Pilot Committee at Jayrow have been well documented and is irrefutable. The fact that resolution may have been achieved ultimately (I'm sworn to secrecy), has nothing to do with this fact. It is the way of negotiation is it not?
I can't find the bit where I'm a detractor as such. I have stated nothing but facts (as presented by Jayrow pilots) and a certain amount of common sense based on experience. I have also continually praised the Jayrow pilots and their efforts in bettering their conditions. Did you actually read my post or make an effort to see where I was coming from? Clearly not. Go on have another look...
As I have continually stated on this, and other threads, it is in the interests of all pilots that all operators offer continually improving conditions. Should CHC and Jayrow for instance stall in this regard, it would leave little room to move for BHA's next EBA which starts in early 2010. So I say it again - I wish both Jayrow and CHC success in their EBA talks.
My commenting on this issue does not, contrary to what you suggest, mean I need to get a life, particularly as I gave considerable thought to what I wrote but I do appreciate your concern nonetheless.
And how you can deduce that I would complain about winning 1st Division from my posts defies description*.
I suggest you spend a little more time injecting some useful and objective commentary and less time shooting from the hip with emotive and inaccurate diatribe.
P68
*For the record, I would love to win it.
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Newton was a Fu+@%#g smart Bloke
Newtons law of employment-Employees of choice gravitate to employers of choice.................
Newtons law of management-The shortest distance between two points of view is ACTION!
Ball is in your court Jayrow Management...............
Newtons law of management-The shortest distance between two points of view is ACTION!
Ball is in your court Jayrow Management...............
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In-principle Agreement
News from our pilot reps is that they reached in-principle agreement on a package with management at their last meeting two weeks ago. 
It must be pretty good becasue our reps had a clear idea of what we would and wouldn't accept.
Now waiting for the written summary of the offer from the General Manager.
It must be pretty good becasue our reps had a clear idea of what we would and wouldn't accept.
Now waiting for the written summary of the offer from the General Manager.
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Whoa there fellas, i don't think "in-principle agreement" and "Approved/signed-off" mean quite the same thing. Sounds like you guys are still negotiating, is that the case.
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Bristow's doesn't compare...
I am lucky enough to of had a sneak peak at the new Jayrow draft agreement and i must say it leaves the current Bristow one for dead. Good on ya guys!
Not meaning to hijack the thread but i have also been informed that HA's first draft of their new agreement is pretty pathetic...i hope they see a copy of Jayrow's.
Its a great time to be in the industry!!!
Not meaning to hijack the thread but i have also been informed that HA's first draft of their new agreement is pretty pathetic
...i hope they see a copy of Jayrow's.Its a great time to be in the industry!!!
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What about CHC?
Have heard rumours that the CHC one doesn't compare to the Bristow one yet, even though it is not finalised yet. Does that mean best pay and conditions will be Jayrow - Bristow and then CHC. Who would have thought it?
Any of you CHC guys out there have any info on yours? Perhaps a new thread?
Any of you CHC guys out there have any info on yours? Perhaps a new thread?
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Hold All Horses
HOLD ALL HORSES.
I have just spoken to one of the Jayrow single engine drivers up in the NT and he advised me that they have to take a pay cut to pay for the ME IFR drivers. He said around $15 to $20K will be the cut for all of the single engine drivers.
dodgy1
you must be lucky as the single engine drivers only got a copy of the EBA last night?
Banger
I have just spoken to one of the Jayrow single engine drivers up in the NT and he advised me that they have to take a pay cut to pay for the ME IFR drivers. He said around $15 to $20K will be the cut for all of the single engine drivers.
dodgy1
you must be lucky as the single engine drivers only got a copy of the EBA last night?
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Horses Held
Banger,
You're just a sh..stirrer mate.
Nothing's officially out yet but from the info we have, ALL Jayrow drivers will get a payrise of roughly the same percentage.
If any of the single guys are unhappy they haven't voiced it internally. Maybe your source is an ex-Jayrow pilot and has left too soon?!?!
You're just a sh..stirrer mate.
Nothing's officially out yet but from the info we have, ALL Jayrow drivers will get a payrise of roughly the same percentage.
If any of the single guys are unhappy they haven't voiced it internally. Maybe your source is an ex-Jayrow pilot and has left too soon?!?!
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jayrowpilot2
The guy still works for the company.
If there is nothing OFFICIALLY out yet then how do you make a statment that
all drivers will get the same increase? And in your words ROUGHLY.
I did ask the guy did he voice it to the members of the Pilot Committee.
I then told him to make sure that he speaks to the person who is on that committee
who is a single engine driver. He said that he has tried that but they are not interested in helping out as they are all twin offshore drivers.
Thats from the horses mouth.
Are you on the pilot committee and if so HAVE YOU sold out the single engine drivers?
Banger
If there is nothing OFFICIALLY out yet then how do you make a statment that
all drivers will get the same increase? And in your words ROUGHLY.
I did ask the guy did he voice it to the members of the Pilot Committee.
I then told him to make sure that he speaks to the person who is on that committee
who is a single engine driver. He said that he has tried that but they are not interested in helping out as they are all twin offshore drivers.
Thats from the horses mouth.
Are you on the pilot committee and if so HAVE YOU sold out the single engine drivers?
Banger
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Blade banger
your past Jayrow thead post show you are obviously a level headed chap with a chip on both shoulders!
On behalf of all current jayrow pilots,get over it!
There has been alot of hard work gone into negoiations,with ALL input from ALL pilots presented to the management.
Jayrow pilots should very pleased when voting time comes,and if not they can always say no like the CHC pilots did.
your past Jayrow thead post show you are obviously a level headed chap with a chip on both shoulders!
On behalf of all current jayrow pilots,get over it!
There has been alot of hard work gone into negoiations,with ALL input from ALL pilots presented to the management.
Jayrow pilots should very pleased when voting time comes,and if not they can always say no like the CHC pilots did.
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Banga Boy,
Your "mate" obviously hasn't brought his issues with the pilot reps because I can guarantee he would have been listened to and provided feedback. This has been a very inclusive process.
Me thinks you may have some personal gripe against Jayrow, as what you say here isn't the truth. In fact it's far from it.
Your "mate" obviously hasn't brought his issues with the pilot reps because I can guarantee he would have been listened to and provided feedback. This has been a very inclusive process.
Me thinks you may have some personal gripe against Jayrow, as what you say here isn't the truth. In fact it's far from it.
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Far From It Boys
jayrowpilot2,
I have no gripe against jayrow at all. I am just concerned that some of the lower time guys are going to get screwed over by the twin off shore drivers. Thats all.
#3#
Nice of you to post for the first time. Like so many of the other jayrow pilots have you also changed from another user name?
I was not talking about input into the negoiations by all pilots, just that this young driver has told me that the draft EBA has him in a wage bracket lower by a considerable amount.
I asked him if he had spoke to the single engine rep on the pilot comittee to voice his concern and his words were that they are not interested in changing it even if he drops $15K. I think from your and jayrowpilot2's replys, that you twin drivers have sold out on the single guys.
Banger
I have no gripe against jayrow at all. I am just concerned that some of the lower time guys are going to get screwed over by the twin off shore drivers. Thats all.
#3#
Nice of you to post for the first time. Like so many of the other jayrow pilots have you also changed from another user name?
I was not talking about input into the negoiations by all pilots, just that this young driver has told me that the draft EBA has him in a wage bracket lower by a considerable amount.
I asked him if he had spoke to the single engine rep on the pilot comittee to voice his concern and his words were that they are not interested in changing it even if he drops $15K. I think from your and jayrowpilot2's replys, that you twin drivers have sold out on the single guys.
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Guilty?
#3#
Are you Guilty then of getting the single engine drivers with Jayrow to take a $15K pay reduction so you can feather your own nest?
You said that you will get ALL your pilots better wages but this guy tells me that he is taking a $15K wage cut. You seem to be like Jayrow managment and forget that the single engine drivers are the backbone of that comany and have done it tough for the company for the last 20 years.
$15K loss is a big cut. I carn't see how you could do it to the guys?
Banger
Are you Guilty then of getting the single engine drivers with Jayrow to take a $15K pay reduction so you can feather your own nest?
You said that you will get ALL your pilots better wages but this guy tells me that he is taking a $15K wage cut. You seem to be like Jayrow managment and forget that the single engine drivers are the backbone of that comany and have done it tough for the company for the last 20 years.
$15K loss is a big cut. I carn't see how you could do it to the guys?
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I'll be buttered and buggered from both sides! I seems that the latest form of discrimination is twin engine pilots vs single engine pilots. Good going Guys, concentrate on fraternal differences instead of trying to improve the lot of all of us
