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I guess they don't like Heli's !!!!

Old 1st May 2008, 03:31
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I've added another 200-odd by a certain semi-automated technique (which I think the server has now "got wise" to, but I'll be back).

So the PPRuNe count is now 1425, and > 10% .

This is war now.......
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Old 1st May 2008, 05:15
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From the web site's "Aims" page:

5. To have helicopter training located in uninhabited areas or over the sea. Who, in their right minds, would locate afresh today such helicopter training in the highly-populated Thames Valley or other highly populated region?

They've done their research about unpopulated areas close to population centres, AND about the value of training over a flat area in a single
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Old 1st May 2008, 07:10
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The trouble is, if it was pointed out to them the hazards of training in uninhabited areas, over the sea etc (engine failure, mechanical problem etc), then the antis would have more ammunition to say that helicopters are dangerous.

Groups like this never listen to reason, they have a bee in their bonnet and, if they successfully campaigned against one thing and "got it banned", they would have to turn their attention to something else.

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Old 1st May 2008, 07:26
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we could all chip in and buy the house next door, move in toys such as motorbikes, lawnmowers, fast cars and have them running all day. Or, with a more environmental approach, turn it into a boarding kennel full of barking dogs!

I'm guessing the people running this ' anti ' site are retired and have a lot of time on their hands? It would be interesting to know what they did or do for a living.
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Old 1st May 2008, 07:33
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yes they are retired, dont know what they used to do though. Just North of the High wycombe airfield boundary is the motorway - they live just to the north of that.
Very close to the airfield. Fixed wing traffic passed quite close but at 1000ft, but the northern join is low level.

1500 now... keep going!


This is close to Cpt Hollywoods thread on the R88 for post of the year!
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Old 1st May 2008, 14:44
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I'm on a mission now.
Not gonna stop voting till my mouse breaks.
(Then I'll get another one!)

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Old 1st May 2008, 15:05
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It's not hard to find out who the site owners are.

I think you are a little bit off G-MADY.

We all best avoid this location:

http://tinyurl.com/5plszf
 
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To be honest there are several houses around Wycombe air park that cause alot of fuss.
I know the houses north of the motorway for sure started a campaign. And are certainly ones to avoid, the registered address is one of the others!

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Old 1st May 2008, 16:52
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Oh yeah, I don't doubt it. Just like every other airfield in the UK.

I love this bit on the site:

Additionally, we fully recognise the vested interests of helicopter manufacturers and heliport and helicopter operators, who have invested large amounts of their own, or their investors', capital to generate shareholder profits. However these profits are generated at a vile environmental cost. We fully expect these vested interests to oppose our aims by whatever means, lobbying their influential networks to obfuscate our vision.

He obviously hasn't looked at the accounts of the average UK FTO!
 
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S'funny, I thought I saw Mr Shufflebums phone number in a west end phone box yesterday advertising some very dubious practices.........
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Old 2nd May 2008, 07:14
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Global

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Just a thought

Hi there, i don't think we're going to acheive much by trying to win a poll on their website. There will always be a larger number number of people signing up to a website aimed at cutting helicopter noise who agree with the argument rather than disagree. The majority of people who become aware of the website would have found it because they were looking for a way of complaining about noise in the first place - i don't think many people who have never thought about aircraft noise, because they aren't affected by it, would have the need to start searching out a website that is polling people on this issue.

In the same way as if you took a poll of all the members on pprune, i'm sure the outcome would be overwhelmingly in favour of helicopters, and accepting of the noise that goes with them. That doesn't mean however, that there isn't an issue with noise that should be taken seriously. If someone has gone to the effort of setting up this website, then they are obviously being adversely affected by helicopters, and so naturally have a negative view of them. Has anyone thought of contacting the website, and trying to arrange an informal meeting with them, to have a discussion and a few beers. Who knows , we may all find we have less to argue about and more common ground than we realise? We may be able to see their point of view a bit more clearly, and more importantly, they might be able to see our position.


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Ok.........I`ve done my bit!
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Old 2nd May 2008, 11:04
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The noise generated from the motorway is by far the most invasive. During the day it almost goes un noticed because of familiarity - its an almost normal background - but during the quieter times of the day and evening, it is far worse than the occasional aircraft. I am sure there are many out there who live similarly, in proximity to a motorway or indeed railway and you might agree.

I live in proximity [sound wise] to 3 military airfields and am under the arrival flight path of a main airport. I chose to live here and to be honest with you, I get really stressed about the traffic on the road outside my house even behind triple glazing. Aircraft noise - WTF is that? Hardly ever heard any!!!!!!!!!! [above the noise of the traffic] I suspect that these dolts are pretty much in the same circumstances and are pretty much bored with little else to do. Sad. Very Sad.

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Setting up a meeting may be a good idea.
Maybe we could all fly in !!
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Old 2nd May 2008, 13:11
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Has anyone thought of contacting the website, and trying to arrange an informal meeting with them, to have a discussion and a few beers.
Yes, YOU have. Well volunteered, that man.

As we speak, I'm being subjected to the noise of an electric concrete breaker; it's been going on continually for hours because yet another neighbour is having a new conservatory put in. I think these noisy implements should be used only in uninhabited areas, or over the sea, because I think they are noisy and dangerous.

Also, I'm jealous because I see conservatories as rich people's playthings and I can't afford one so I don't want to see or hear anything to remind me of the fact that they exist..
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touche' shy torque

If i cared about the noise abatement argument in this case enough i would do. To be honest though, i don't, so just thought i'd make the suggestion to see if anyone else was more noble than me!
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Old 3rd May 2008, 23:34
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David Shufflebotham

Just done a WHOIS search on the website. It's is registered to a David Shufflebotham. Google that name along with "helicopter" and you will find unconfirmed minutes of the Nov 2006 Turville Parish Counil meeting.

"
(e) Helicopter Noise
David Shufflebotham (01494 883728) is leading protests in South Bucks against excessive helicopter noise and has contacted Paul Goodman our MP for support – currently there is no legislation against noise from civilian helicopters. He is particularly concerned over weekend training for trainee pilots. The MOD is a "law unto themselves" so there is no chance of getting restrictions for military flights according to Mr. Shufflebotham.
"

Twit!

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Old 4th May 2008, 08:07
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10 more votes delivered, moved the percentage from 22,2% to 22,3%
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Old 4th May 2008, 08:42
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The other scores have not changed since I first looked at this poll. I think the 12269 has been fabricated by HNC. It looks as though the only votes it gets at all are from you lot. This is typical of the behaviour of pressure groups. The poll is sheer fiction intended to support their cause - and why not? Its their website. They can put what they like on it. I bet they weren't expecting you lot though.
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