Crash near Harrogate, UK: January 2008
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just a little point the pilot also had a fixed wing cpl /ir frozen atpl ect. his low hours were on helicopters only
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most of his hours was on a gazelle
rip friend
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most of his hours was on a gazelle
rip friend
An examiner can only work within the rules of the system. If somebody performs the tasks requested satisfactorily during the test they pass ....as simple as that. If you start playing god a failing people just because they lack experience then nobody will use you . It is no different to passing a 17 yr old on their driving test. They may behave beautifully when you are sitting next to them and then reckless with their mates on board. My worry is that i can remember aged 21 with 200 hrs being totally unprepared for situations that students put me in that i had never encountered before, but i did have a chief pilot to guide me re when to go and when not to ...then crop spraying i also had one to keep me out of trouble . A new ppl doesnt have anybody to tell him what to do . How many of you would sit in the back with a 50 hr ppl even in 20 kn ?
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hiya, my names phil, a reporter from the Sunday Sun newspaper, North East, Nortrh Yorkshire and Cumbria.
We are covering this awful crash in north yorkshire and were wondering if there was anyone who might be able to help us with the story.
We are covering this awful crash in north yorkshire and were wondering if there was anyone who might be able to help us with the story.
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Nigel i couldn't agree with you more.
However the 45 hour minimum hours were in place long before JAR and all the additional requirements. (especially the "lets learn to fly in cloud but don't do it" bit)
Market forces spawn the pass in 45 hour culture. My humble experience is a 70 - 90 hour pass average with at least 50% attrition rate.
I also don't remember any part of a ppl(h) coarse which advocates flying in 50+ kts. The people you teach learn everything they know from you.
However the 45 hour minimum hours were in place long before JAR and all the additional requirements. (especially the "lets learn to fly in cloud but don't do it" bit)
Market forces spawn the pass in 45 hour culture. My humble experience is a 70 - 90 hour pass average with at least 50% attrition rate.
I also don't remember any part of a ppl(h) coarse which advocates flying in 50+ kts. The people you teach learn everything they know from you.
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Makes you wonder what someone did with him for his 45 hrs of training. Reasonable to assume that with his previous fixed wing experience, they shouldn't/wouldn't be concentrating on Nav? As a 20 hr Robbo student with extensive fixed wing experience, I'm spending a lot of time learning how important the wind is.
Sad, very sad.
Sad, very sad.
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the 46 hours on rotor wing is incorrect he has more hours than that since passing his test he has flown to denmark and back [with safety pilot before any one asks ]
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one of you guys, said, get some pilots to meet up one night,
with ref, to talk about wind and so on,
i would like to be there on that night,
i have 21 year flying with the USAF,and now am flying
for blackwater in Iraq,
i live in USA, but also have a home in Surrey England,
so i can help, set up the date and let me know,
if i can make it, it will !
with ref, to talk about wind and so on,
i would like to be there on that night,
i have 21 year flying with the USAF,and now am flying
for blackwater in Iraq,
i live in USA, but also have a home in Surrey England,
so i can help, set up the date and let me know,
if i can make it, it will !
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hiya, my names phil, a reporter from the Sunday Sun newspaper, North East, Nortrh Yorkshire and Cumbria.
We are covering this awful crash in north yorkshire and were wondering if there was anyone who might be able to help us with the story.
We are covering this awful crash in north yorkshire and were wondering if there was anyone who might be able to help us with the story.
Whilst some people within this forum would be more than happy to assist you in various other issues/debates it may probably be worth your while obtaining all facts pertaining to this sad incident from the proper authorities. AAIB/Police etc, i would also thank you for being open as to who/where your from.
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one of you guys, said, get some pilots to meet up one night,
with ref, to talk about wind and so on,
i would like to be there on that night,
i have 21 year flying with the USAF,and now am flying
for blackwater in Iraq,
i live in USA, but also have a home in Surrey England,
so i can help, set up the date and let me know,
if i can make it, it will !
with ref, to talk about wind and so on,
i would like to be there on that night,
i have 21 year flying with the USAF,and now am flying
for blackwater in Iraq,
i live in USA, but also have a home in Surrey England,
so i can help, set up the date and let me know,
if i can make it, it will !
RIP those who died today
bit of thread creep here but as for meeting up, the problem will be geographic. Maybe have a few people arrange meets in a few different locations in Uk, or at least try to encourage more people to talk/discuss all things heli's. It tends to just end up a slanging match on web forums and that's not the aim. There are safety evenings run at flying schools etc but i'd want this different. Inherent risks of heli's etc????
I just know we will read about more bad news this year on pprune and no doubt some will know the people involved.
I just know we will read about more bad news this year on pprune and no doubt some will know the people involved.
Helimutt
I think you are right there is a need to put together some local pilot meets around the country, I tried to do this in the South East a couple of years ago and the CAA where amenable to putting on a helicopter safety evening given enough notice. Unfortunately I moved to the South West and it never happened.
Maybe we should look to putting something together with regards to a rough schedule for the evenings and get some people involved from around the country, and of all experience levels to try and reduce accidents in the UK.
Cheers
Gary
I think you are right there is a need to put together some local pilot meets around the country, I tried to do this in the South East a couple of years ago and the CAA where amenable to putting on a helicopter safety evening given enough notice. Unfortunately I moved to the South West and it never happened.
Maybe we should look to putting something together with regards to a rough schedule for the evenings and get some people involved from around the country, and of all experience levels to try and reduce accidents in the UK.
Cheers
Gary
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Just driven back to Newcastle from Glasgow today in terrible weather and the very thought crossed my mind as to the limitations of flying helicopters in windy conditions then came home to read this.
My thoughts are obviously with the families concerned and with regard to suggestions about informal meets i'd be happy to try and arrange something in the North East, perhaps at Wings at Newcastle Airport if anyone would be interested.
My thoughts are obviously with the families concerned and with regard to suggestions about informal meets i'd be happy to try and arrange something in the North East, perhaps at Wings at Newcastle Airport if anyone would be interested.
Gary, I think it would be a great idea but as soon as you start to say things like CAA involvement etc, then I feel the idea is lost and people switch off a bit. My gut feeling is that you would have more success at getting people to come and meet up and chat if it was in a relaxed informal environment with only pilots/people with an interest and questions to ask over a beer or something. Why don't we see if we can sort something. If anyone in the Yorkshire/N.Lincolnshire area/Newcastle area wants to arrange something or can suggest something, i'll be there. We usd to meet up at Newcastle Aero Club a few years ago but it only really involved the guys learning to fly helis up there at the time, and we didn't have PPRuNe to help get people interested.