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Sorry, but what you write here is also completely incorrect:
First of all, if you mean the deadly accident in England, it was not "Little Nellie", but another test gyro designed for Royal Air Force tests.
Secondly, the reason for the accident was not an engine out, but too hight speed
and PIO in an unstable machine without horizontal stabilizer.
And, of course, it was not his brother, it was a very experienced Royal Air Force
test pilot, friend of Cmndr. Wallis.
After this accident RAF pulled back supporting the autogyro development,
or actually, Cmndr. Wallis, deeply moved, decided not to let anybody, except him, fly the thing.
But if you mean this accident:
you are again wrong, because it was Wallis himself,
just too high speed on landing (not too low) and no proper flare.
As you can see, he walked away from it.
Sorry, but what you write here is also completely incorrect:
Thus, YouTube has various crash videos including one in which - I believe - Ken Wallis's brother crashes "Little Nell" when the engine quits and he doesn't get the nose down far enough.
Secondly, the reason for the accident was not an engine out, but too hight speed
and PIO in an unstable machine without horizontal stabilizer.
And, of course, it was not his brother, it was a very experienced Royal Air Force
test pilot, friend of Cmndr. Wallis.
After this accident RAF pulled back supporting the autogyro development,
or actually, Cmndr. Wallis, deeply moved, decided not to let anybody, except him, fly the thing.
But if you mean this accident:
you are again wrong, because it was Wallis himself,
just too high speed on landing (not too low) and no proper flare.
As you can see, he walked away from it.
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Generally speaking, out of all flying machines, for the gyrocopter engine out is almost "no event".
You can land without any landing run at all, even better than autorotating helicopter. And there is also no "dead man's zone". You can land from any altitude.
You can land without any landing run at all, even better than autorotating helicopter. And there is also no "dead man's zone". You can land from any altitude.
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Checkride maneuvers in the gyroplane include vertical descents, power on and power off, both of which require holding the nose above the horizon. The descents can also be made with bank held on. Rotor rpm is not an issue during these maneuvers.
The above is part of the FAA flight test for the Commercial Gyroplane Pilot License.
Thankfully there are people here who can correct miss information posted by people who haven't the faintest clue about the subject.
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Can Anybody identify this autogyro
Hi,
I have recently Aquired a auto gyro it has the Ea81 Saab engine HP?
it has the 60inch ivoprop ground adjustable prop and a wunderlich pre-rotator the only info i have is it was built on chris julians (Wombat) there is no paperwork with this aircraft so i cant get any info even on the G-INFO, it is a twinn seater tandem! i have a picture but dont know how to load it on here! sorry not much to go on but i am sure someone will know this autogyro! or maybe the model !
any info would be appreciated!
gary
I have recently Aquired a auto gyro it has the Ea81 Saab engine HP?
it has the 60inch ivoprop ground adjustable prop and a wunderlich pre-rotator the only info i have is it was built on chris julians (Wombat) there is no paperwork with this aircraft so i cant get any info even on the G-INFO, it is a twinn seater tandem! i have a picture but dont know how to load it on here! sorry not much to go on but i am sure someone will know this autogyro! or maybe the model !
any info would be appreciated!
gary
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A mate took me for a ride in his MT03 last year. The smallest rotary I had ever flown was the H269 and the biggest was a Chinook. The MT03 was fantastic. He is a retired FW pilot and thought I would laugh, I did with utter delight.
No the fastest bit of kit (quicker than my vintage puddlejumper) comfortable, and even when we flew through a rain shower the screens kept the worst off us.
I found a lot more control feeback than I expected from the undamped head, but a precise touchdown was possible after a couple of practise approaches.
Like any flying machine it demands respect and an awareness of it's limitations, but it was possibly easier to relax in than a small helo, and certainly more fun than the helos I fly from day to day. For any experienced helicopter pilot I would suggest going and having an hours instruction on a gyro and rediscovering some of the joy of flying.
No the fastest bit of kit (quicker than my vintage puddlejumper) comfortable, and even when we flew through a rain shower the screens kept the worst off us.
I found a lot more control feeback than I expected from the undamped head, but a precise touchdown was possible after a couple of practise approaches.
Like any flying machine it demands respect and an awareness of it's limitations, but it was possibly easier to relax in than a small helo, and certainly more fun than the helos I fly from day to day. For any experienced helicopter pilot I would suggest going and having an hours instruction on a gyro and rediscovering some of the joy of flying.
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Gyro Information
Petemate
A couple of good web sources of information:
The British Rotorcraft Association:
www.gyroflight.co.uk
The Gyrocopter Community:
The Gyrocopter Experience - The Gyro Community
Regards
Steve
A couple of good web sources of information:
The British Rotorcraft Association:
www.gyroflight.co.uk
The Gyrocopter Community:
The Gyrocopter Experience - The Gyro Community
Regards
Steve
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Wombat
Gary, I'm pretty sure that machine you have is a one-off.
I have seen a Wombat once, before the idiot owner wrote it off.
Nice machine, but not for a beginner.
I assume your machine is a two-seat derivative of same.
I had heard there was one built, or part-built.
I doubt if you can do much with it, as UK regs would make it
beyond economic sense, if it was possible at all.
Perhaps you might post a picture of it here, if convenient.
A lady by the name of Shirley Jennings might be able to supply
more info on this. I dont have contact details, but the British
Rotorcraft Assoc would have.
Cheers.
I have seen a Wombat once, before the idiot owner wrote it off.
Nice machine, but not for a beginner.
I assume your machine is a two-seat derivative of same.
I had heard there was one built, or part-built.
I doubt if you can do much with it, as UK regs would make it
beyond economic sense, if it was possible at all.
Perhaps you might post a picture of it here, if convenient.
A lady by the name of Shirley Jennings might be able to supply
more info on this. I dont have contact details, but the British
Rotorcraft Assoc would have.
Cheers.
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Purpose.
Pete, autogyros only have one purpose, FUN.
The future? More fun. Building, training, flying. All fun.
Like SND said above.
Search gyrocopters on Youtube and enjoy.
The future? More fun. Building, training, flying. All fun.
Like SND said above.
Search gyrocopters on Youtube and enjoy.
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Gyrocopter
Hi Furgus, (Sorry petemate!!)
I was sent an email after trying to get identification of this gyro and i have been told it was a dingbat i have sent you a pic Furgus to post on here of the gyro and all the deatails are in my responce asking for identification! i hope there is someone here who can shine a bit of light on this( DINGBAT) Or ?????
any info would be appreciated!!
Or I have a got an Expensive Garden Ornament!!
W.O.S.
I was sent an email after trying to get identification of this gyro and i have been told it was a dingbat i have sent you a pic Furgus to post on here of the gyro and all the deatails are in my responce asking for identification! i hope there is someone here who can shine a bit of light on this( DINGBAT) Or ?????
any info would be appreciated!!
Or I have a got an Expensive Garden Ornament!!
W.O.S.
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Here is the picture of the Dingbat in the form of a Youtube link.
Couldnt figure out how to insert an image.
Gary, Look up its reg on G-INFO and see did it ever have a permit-to-fly.
If it did, it might predate BCAR Section-T, and you MIGHT have a chance
of getting it flying legal.
If you do have to put it through section-T, forget it.
cheers,
Fergus.
Couldnt figure out how to insert an image.
Gary, Look up its reg on G-INFO and see did it ever have a permit-to-fly.
If it did, it might predate BCAR Section-T, and you MIGHT have a chance
of getting it flying legal.
If you do have to put it through section-T, forget it.
cheers,
Fergus.
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Hi fergus,
well the G-Info shows it as not registred and the registration on the dingbat belonged to HS125 in USA De registred aircraft so it looks like having to go through the section BCAR T !! Unless some one knows any different !i will get some info on this and contact the CAA and see what is involved!
At the end of the day i took this on as a long term project so getting a permitt would have been a bounus but i dont know whats involved as yet!
i have been informed that this can be flown!! But ( Not In UK Airspace )but i would like to see if i can get this through to being legal and having a permitt in the UK so i will have to do my homework on this one!
thanks Gary
well the G-Info shows it as not registred and the registration on the dingbat belonged to HS125 in USA De registred aircraft so it looks like having to go through the section BCAR T !! Unless some one knows any different !i will get some info on this and contact the CAA and see what is involved!
At the end of the day i took this on as a long term project so getting a permitt would have been a bounus but i dont know whats involved as yet!
i have been informed that this can be flown!! But ( Not In UK Airspace )but i would like to see if i can get this through to being legal and having a permitt in the UK so i will have to do my homework on this one!
thanks Gary
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Hi Gary, contact the British Rotorcraft Association rather than the CAA.
The assertion that it can be flown legally outside the UK, is probably
relying on it being given a permit by some other national authority,
which is fairly unlikely.
The registration probably remains valid whether it has a permit or not.
You might get the support of the B.R.A. on this if it was presented as
a restoration of a project that predated Section T.
It might be considered to be ' of historical significance ' in the British
rotorcraft community.
Getting a machine-type through section T is time-consuming and expensive,
so unless you have a lot of spare sheckles floating about to pay for
professional stress analysis, I would forget it.
It is also likely that the machine configuration as it stands would not
satisfy current pitch-stability requirements, hence more mods etc.,
Whether it would be a good aircraft or not I couldnt say, but the Wombat
pod was designed for a jockey, so it may be similar.
If you have any long beaches in Stornoway, you could have fun crow-hopping it.
cheers.
The assertion that it can be flown legally outside the UK, is probably
relying on it being given a permit by some other national authority,
which is fairly unlikely.
The registration probably remains valid whether it has a permit or not.
You might get the support of the B.R.A. on this if it was presented as
a restoration of a project that predated Section T.
It might be considered to be ' of historical significance ' in the British
rotorcraft community.
Getting a machine-type through section T is time-consuming and expensive,
so unless you have a lot of spare sheckles floating about to pay for
professional stress analysis, I would forget it.
It is also likely that the machine configuration as it stands would not
satisfy current pitch-stability requirements, hence more mods etc.,
Whether it would be a good aircraft or not I couldnt say, but the Wombat
pod was designed for a jockey, so it may be similar.
If you have any long beaches in Stornoway, you could have fun crow-hopping it.
cheers.
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HI Fergus,
Thanks for all the help you have given me and the advice which is appreciated!! i will see if i can get the BRA to help me with this one and i will post any new info on the gyro i can get hold of. I would have more enjoyment rebuilding the gyro than doing crow hops with it its a nice machine working perfectly! i have 22Acres of farming land up here!!so i would love to get it on a permitt!
W.O.S.
Thanks for all the help you have given me and the advice which is appreciated!! i will see if i can get the BRA to help me with this one and i will post any new info on the gyro i can get hold of. I would have more enjoyment rebuilding the gyro than doing crow hops with it its a nice machine working perfectly! i have 22Acres of farming land up here!!so i would love to get it on a permitt!
W.O.S.
