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Old 13th Jan 2008, 16:43
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Should I think again about starting to train in an R22????

The only other option i've got is an R44 but obviously that is more expensive!

Helimutt,

Would it be politically incorrect of me to ask Neil if I could have the same instructor for every lesson and also if it could be Scott or do I simply get who i'm given?
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 17:15
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Would it be politically incorrect of me to ask Neil if I could have the same instructor for every lesson and also if it could be Scott or do I simply get who i'm given?
Wait and see how your course is structured, you may find a mix of instructors will be the case. This is not a bad thing, you will find that each instructor will teach/instruct with slight variations...

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 17:18
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Timex,

More good advice thanks, are you based in Newcastle?

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 17:36
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Dato_R44,

As Crab stated, the most certain way to avoid accidents flying the R22 (or any flying machine) is not to fly at all. But this doesnt work for those of us that wish to fly; we make a tradeoff between risk and reward. I have long thought that structuring/managing and reducing risk by being well informed and proficient is the way to do this. With pilot error the leading cause of accidents by a wide margin, and with the causes of accidents relatively well reported and understood, if one takes a disciplined, thoughtful approach to accepting risk, the the odds turn considerably in your favor, and the data show this in quite a compelling fashion. The problem with this is that not everyone can accept the consequences of being thoughtful and disciplined: its hard work, time consuming, and expensive

Accidents are not inevitable. I know a number high time pilots who have retired without ever putting a mark on a flying machine or injuring anyone - in some cases 40,000+ hours.

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 17:41
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EN48,

Great post!

Didn't realise you were from Newcastle?

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 18:01
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EN48 I agree I attended Tim Tuckers Robinson Safety Course in Scotland late last year and the clearest message given to pilots enthusiastic to fly is set a limit personal limit that you know to be safe for example I now follow the quote :

"The least experienced press on while the more experienced turn back, to meet the most experienced the never took off in the first place"

If I am honest however I have of late with much more qualified pilots than me in the left seat tackled trips in weather out of my comfort zone and qualify as the first part of the above.

I am all too aware of the rise in PPL(H) pilots appearing in the skies particularly in Scotland and have now firmly decided this quote will be my understanding of flying. It has to be the greatest experience and privileged opportunity any one can have and hope that others too will read the above and consider it theirs for many many hours of safe, satisfying and fun flying
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 18:04
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Dato,

What's happened to your thread asking for information, it's disappeared?
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 18:06
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yea - interestingly it has ???

I must be honest I have observed PPRuNe for a few years and have ony very recently engaged in the forums so I might well have done something wrong
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 18:10
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Dato-R44

"The least experienced press on while the more experienced turn back, to meet the most experienced the never took off in the first place"
Havent seen this one previously. Pretty much sums it all up. I will post this prominently in my hangar!

Thanks,

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 18:16
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K77,

Didn't realise you were from Newcastle?
Not Newcastle, but New Hampshire.

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 18:37
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Oh sorry, its just you put your location as CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 19:23
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K77,

its just you put your location as CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!
Well?

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 19:32
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Well Newcastle IS the Centre of the Universe!
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 19:58
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Can't agree more K77.

Had to move a bit further south for my job but will always regard Newcastle as home.
If you enjoy flying with one instructor, remember you are the customer and you can pretty much fly with whoever you wish. Neil will have no problem with that i'm sure. It won't do you any harm though to fly with another instructor at some stage if you have to, because different peole teach in different ways. Some have experiences which they can pass on. You may get stuck on one particular exercise and another instructor might just have a simple way around it. I only flew with one instructor for my ppl. One for the cpl. But over the years, I have drawn on experience of flying with many instructors/examiners etc who all had a positive input to my flying skills. Now I fly with different people every day in a multicrew environment and they are all vastly more experienced than me in the role. I feel i'm often just there to make up the numbers. but I still watch and learn.
If you do have a problem during the course, say, learning to hover, you may think at some point you're wasting your time and money but believe me, most of us have been there at one time or another.
Some of us more than others, Just stick at it and you'll get there.
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 20:05
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"will always regard Newcastle as home. "
I can see that I am outnumbered here!

Great advice Hmutt. I have learned something from every instructor I have worked with. Just want to be working with the grayhairs in the early going.

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 20:48
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Thanks Helimutt,

I will report back once i've chatted to Neil!

K77.

P.S. Went to Old Trafford yesterday..........wish I hadn't now!!!!!
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Knievel77
Dato,

What's happened to your thread asking for information, it's disappeared?
Having had Dato_R44 post exactly the same query in this thread, there was no point running two threads answering the same question from the same person!
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 22:25
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Senior Pilot,

Yes, I see where you are coming from, fair enough!

Thanks for keeping us right!
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Old 13th Jan 2008, 22:58
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It would be interesting to know the Datcon difference between a new trainee in a 22 and a 44. As the 22 time is rotors running, all the time warming up and shutting down is charged for (and counts towards the magic 45). If we plot a 65 hour pass rate, in a 22 the real flying time is considerably less. So although a 44 will cost more per hour, you may pass in "less" hours. Autorotations are free after all in a 44!

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Old 13th Jan 2008, 23:21
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From Lasors - Appendix B to Section A

The total time from the moment a helicopters rotor
blades start turning until the moment the helicopter
finally comes to rest at the end of the flight and the rotor
blades are stopped.



Therefore, the amount of time logged shouldn't make any difference; the time charged by the school may well differ though as will the time on the Tech Log!

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