What is the standard price usually for a PPL(H)?
What is the standard price usually for a PPL(H)?
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There is probably no such thing as a standard price.
If I were you I would budget for around 55-60 hours flying at about £250-£300 + VAT per flying hour.
Best of luck
If I were you I would budget for around 55-60 hours flying at about £250-£300 + VAT per flying hour.
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In Norwich, there's Sterling Helicopters with a Schweizer. That would be nearer the £300/hour mark.
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Because this is the UK and we have a different economical structure, government, tax legislature and regulations to the US. In a nutshell.
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Originally Posted by helonorth
What do they do with the extra $300?
There have been so many discussions here about how the industry beggars itself by putting aircraft out at rates that don't make money, and so many threads about pilot's and engineer's salaries being too low. Economics 101: go into business to make money, not lose it, then everyone benefits
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Just for interest sake - and comparison maybe?
The H269C, H269Cb & H269Cbi were all charged out at $440 per hour NZ $$ when I did my training. I think it's still around that mark.
How does that compare?
KC
The H269C, H269Cb & H269Cbi were all charged out at $440 per hour NZ $$ when I did my training. I think it's still around that mark.
How does that compare?
KC
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There plenty of successful & reputable companies operating in Australia for half that price (300/R22/B47/etc).
My advice, for what it’s worth, buy yourself a ticket to the Sunshine Coast in Queensland, start your flying & enjoy the beach & sun. All costs considered, would no doubt work out less expensive & you would have a nice holiday to boot!!
But, you would have to put up with us ribbing you about the cricket!!
My advice, for what it’s worth, buy yourself a ticket to the Sunshine Coast in Queensland, start your flying & enjoy the beach & sun. All costs considered, would no doubt work out less expensive & you would have a nice holiday to boot!!
But, you would have to put up with us ribbing you about the cricket!!
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Back on thread (ish).
Whitus1, getting a PPL(H) abroad is an option although, full-time, I would allow 6 weeks for contingencies. If you get a JAA licence abroad, then I would recommend passing all the exams here before you go. If you get a foreign licence abroad, don't forget to add the costs of conversion to a JAA licence when you get back home.
As for the economics of costs ....
Average annual UK wage £23,764 with average of 28 days paid leave.
Average house price (small terraced house - you don't have those in the States!) £183,500
Petrol per litre £1.04
Beer £3.00
Basic rate of income tax 22%
Higher rate (income over ~ £40,000) 40%
National insurance 11%
I can't even begin to explain how this all pieces together to produce the general higher costs of living we experience in the UK but I would suspect that the basic crux is the cost of land.
Also bear in mind that our CAA is self-funded with no government subsidy as in the US.
The £300 I quoted is the cost of a 300CBi (which is a cheaper machine to run that a C) from a well run and reputable school. They do make a profit but a very, very tiny one!!!
Hope that helps.
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Whitus1, getting a PPL(H) abroad is an option although, full-time, I would allow 6 weeks for contingencies. If you get a JAA licence abroad, then I would recommend passing all the exams here before you go. If you get a foreign licence abroad, don't forget to add the costs of conversion to a JAA licence when you get back home.
As for the economics of costs ....
Average annual UK wage £23,764 with average of 28 days paid leave.
Average house price (small terraced house - you don't have those in the States!) £183,500
Petrol per litre £1.04
Beer £3.00
Basic rate of income tax 22%
Higher rate (income over ~ £40,000) 40%
National insurance 11%
I can't even begin to explain how this all pieces together to produce the general higher costs of living we experience in the UK but I would suspect that the basic crux is the cost of land.
Also bear in mind that our CAA is self-funded with no government subsidy as in the US.
The £300 I quoted is the cost of a 300CBi (which is a cheaper machine to run that a C) from a well run and reputable school. They do make a profit but a very, very tiny one!!!
Hope that helps.
Cheers
Whirls
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Training in a R22 will set you back around £260 inc VAT per hour, depending on how close to London you are. You can generally get a (very small) discount for paying chunks up front, but this generally isn't recommended, as it ties you to a specific school and their financial health (schools do go bust from time to time).
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That sounds as thought the CAA have actually given some thought to it. I'm not sure they even consider helicopters when they invent their daft rules and training regimes!
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I read a worrying article in Pilot magazine this month, regarding a change to the rule which allows equal rights to all users. Seems the CAA are in for chooper pilots after all.
Back on subject... i did some hours at Redhill in Surrey in an R22. It was nearly £300 per hour including landing fees and VAT etc. So i decided to gather the licence money togther and buy my own chopper.
Alternatively, you could go abroad. I did some hours in Long Beach California. Fabulous! Cheap and great weather. BUT, you'll find it very difficult to self fly hire here in UK if you do this. Apparently, the radio is very different and air law here in UK is much more strict. You will at least have to do some test flights back here and perhaps redo some tests.
Basically its a minefield. Dont take one persons view as gospel. Ask, ask and ask again. Do your research - this is the most important thing.
Good Luck!
Back on subject... i did some hours at Redhill in Surrey in an R22. It was nearly £300 per hour including landing fees and VAT etc. So i decided to gather the licence money togther and buy my own chopper.
Alternatively, you could go abroad. I did some hours in Long Beach California. Fabulous! Cheap and great weather. BUT, you'll find it very difficult to self fly hire here in UK if you do this. Apparently, the radio is very different and air law here in UK is much more strict. You will at least have to do some test flights back here and perhaps redo some tests.
Basically its a minefield. Dont take one persons view as gospel. Ask, ask and ask again. Do your research - this is the most important thing.
Good Luck!
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55-60 Hours, wow is it going to take that long?
My Helicopter Training School reckon it should take only 45 hours, I know that is the minimum anyway but is your 55-60 more realistic or are you just covering yourself!
Better tell me now as I haven't budgeted for those extra hours!!!!!
Thanks.
My Helicopter Training School reckon it should take only 45 hours, I know that is the minimum anyway but is your 55-60 more realistic or are you just covering yourself!
Better tell me now as I haven't budgeted for those extra hours!!!!!
Thanks.
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Don't bank on the minimum hours unless:
You've very talented - and they would have picked that up by now.
You've already got a CPL Fixed Wing.
Nothing like Eternal Optimism when they're not the ones paying for it!
Whirls will be able to give you a better idea as an Instructor, I'm just basing it on all the students that were around me.
You've very talented - and they would have picked that up by now.
You've already got a CPL Fixed Wing.
Nothing like Eternal Optimism when they're not the ones paying for it!
Whirls will be able to give you a better idea as an Instructor, I'm just basing it on all the students that were around me.