Job vacancy at Lancs Police ASU?
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Well, after all, I suppose this is a rumour network.
Dupsspud, if there definately isn't a job going as you have been told, why has the W.Mids gone to all that time effort and cost to advertise one?
Also, being a 'direct employer', I thought that the force had a duty to openly advertise any vacancies and therefore should a position become available all applicants would have to go through the same process and face the same interview board, comprising of HR, Ops, Independant and maybe even an Air Ops representative. The tale of having somebody lined up, in this day and age, should be on the Helicopter Urban Myths thread!
Having said that, have they paid extra to advertise at http://www.wherewomenwanttowork.com (not the full link due to advertising)
My contact at W.Mids says they don't need to use a floater as their system can cope. Besides why should they need one, they are still at full strength.
If they can afford that much, perhaps even I will apply for the post, £50K.
Dupsspud, if there definately isn't a job going as you have been told, why has the W.Mids gone to all that time effort and cost to advertise one?
Also, being a 'direct employer', I thought that the force had a duty to openly advertise any vacancies and therefore should a position become available all applicants would have to go through the same process and face the same interview board, comprising of HR, Ops, Independant and maybe even an Air Ops representative. The tale of having somebody lined up, in this day and age, should be on the Helicopter Urban Myths thread!
Having said that, have they paid extra to advertise at http://www.wherewomenwanttowork.com (not the full link due to advertising)
My contact at W.Mids says they don't need to use a floater as their system can cope. Besides why should they need one, they are still at full strength.
If they can afford that much, perhaps even I will apply for the post, £50K.
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This latest vacancy will be interesting to monitor
The salary has actually gone backwards compared to ALL other police pilot adverts. Sub 40k to fill this post - what on earth are the HR dept thinking of here?
B**dy bean counters trying to manage ALL other depts leads to total disregard for market forces.
It will be very interesting to see if they get an improvement on the 2 applications submitted last time for a larger salary??????
The salary has actually gone backwards compared to ALL other police pilot adverts. Sub 40k to fill this post - what on earth are the HR dept thinking of here?
B**dy bean counters trying to manage ALL other depts leads to total disregard for market forces.
It will be very interesting to see if they get an improvement on the 2 applications submitted last time for a larger salary??????
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The salary for the post advertised 5 months or so ago was the same as the upper figure mentioned in the current ad. Anyone responding to this ad would be well within their rights to expect the upper figure automatically, bearing in mind the fact that demand appears to be outstripping supply. Also with Premiair having given their pilots somewhere in the region of a 10% pay rise, Lancashire must be offering their pilots one of the worst salary packages in the market.
Odd considering they are allegedly the best constabulary in the country.
Odd considering they are allegedly the best constabulary in the country.
As a comparison:
A starter with "XXXX", currently on 41.5K, will shortly be on 45+K. Their floaters also get an allowance of approx 4K plus a car allowance to make up for not having company transport.
The "YYYY" deal is 16% spread over 3 years - 8%, 4% and 4%. A starter with "YYYY", currently on 41662, will be on 45K next year and 48672 in 2010. Anyone joining with a "xx 123" rating or an IR automatically starts on the Year 3 rate - currently 42921, going up next year to 46330 and 50143 in 2010. That doesn't include the bonus (assuming the company makes a profit over 6%), the LoL insurance, Death in Service benefit and 6% company contribution to the pension.
The more industry wide transparency over on-shore pilots pay (that the Mods will allow) the better!!
A starter with "XXXX", currently on 41.5K, will shortly be on 45+K. Their floaters also get an allowance of approx 4K plus a car allowance to make up for not having company transport.
The "YYYY" deal is 16% spread over 3 years - 8%, 4% and 4%. A starter with "YYYY", currently on 41662, will be on 45K next year and 48672 in 2010. Anyone joining with a "xx 123" rating or an IR automatically starts on the Year 3 rate - currently 42921, going up next year to 46330 and 50143 in 2010. That doesn't include the bonus (assuming the company makes a profit over 6%), the LoL insurance, Death in Service benefit and 6% company contribution to the pension.
The more industry wide transparency over on-shore pilots pay (that the Mods will allow) the better!!
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The more industry wide transparency over on-shore pilots pay (that the Mods will allow) the better!!
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Play it again Sam
"In addition to this, the majority of us in this role have a decent(ish) military pension"
That is as relevant as saying "in addition to my wage, I get 100$ a month from my dear granny"!!
That is as relevant as saying "in addition to my wage, I get 100$ a month from my dear granny"!!
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I agree, the providing companies and the police authorities have benefitted from experienced ex-military employees for a long time; the minimum acceptable experience requirement bears this out.
I've said this before, but now there are fewer experienced pilots around, either the money must go up or the goal posts get widened, or a combination of both occurs.
I walked away from police aviation after I was expected to take a cut in terms and conditions on contract change. To expect an employee to accept a low salary in relation to the industry norm just because he is "expected" to have a pension from previous emplyment, is absurd. I can't think of any other industry where this occurs.
I've said this before, but now there are fewer experienced pilots around, either the money must go up or the goal posts get widened, or a combination of both occurs.
I walked away from police aviation after I was expected to take a cut in terms and conditions on contract change. To expect an employee to accept a low salary in relation to the industry norm just because he is "expected" to have a pension from previous emplyment, is absurd. I can't think of any other industry where this occurs.
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The recent recruitment at our unit produced only one applicant out of nine that might have had a military pension and we have only one pilot out of four whos salary is subbed this way.
3 Police jobs in Flight international!!!! Of varying pay scales I see
And what is this about your pensions? Stop taking that into consideration; you earned it for queen and country. You still have to pay the bills so dont sell yourselves short demand a wage that suits the post. £37K is laughable! £50K is more realistic, at least. 
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pathetic pay offer at Lancs ASU
Just to set the record straight guys - The HR department seem to have made an error somewhere. The last ad for this post was starting pay of £45k. The UEO is currently involved in negotiations with the powers that be to address the line pilot salary issue, the likely outcome being a significant rise.
The subject of military pensions doesn't come into the equation for salary. Just an observation that those lucky enough to be in receipt of a pension have the luxury of a higher income without having to move to Aberdeen!
I started this thread a couple of weeks ago to try and rustle up some interest prior to the ad going out in flight. Unfortunately HR got their hands on things and messed it up
. Rumour is they advertised the post on their weekly orders before going public - just incase there were any suitably qualified candidates walking the beat who might be interested.
The subject of military pensions doesn't come into the equation for salary. Just an observation that those lucky enough to be in receipt of a pension have the luxury of a higher income without having to move to Aberdeen!
I started this thread a couple of weeks ago to try and rustle up some interest prior to the ad going out in flight. Unfortunately HR got their hands on things and messed it up
. Rumour is they advertised the post on their weekly orders before going public - just incase there were any suitably qualified candidates walking the beat who might be interested.
Talking of wasting (taxpayers) money.....
I thought the previously reported rumour of £900 a shift to freelancers to fill in for unfilled posts on low salary directly employing police units was possibly a bit far fetched......
......It seems the truth is actually nearer £1100 a shift, paid by those same directly employing constabularies to the Companies that can provide floaters, to fill in for those vacant shifts. (unfilled presumably because those directly employing constabularies won't offer a decent wage to attract replacement pilots!)
Surely it must be cheaper for the taxpayer for those constabularies to pay a decent wage in the first place and not run light on staff!!
I thought the previously reported rumour of £900 a shift to freelancers to fill in for unfilled posts on low salary directly employing police units was possibly a bit far fetched......
......It seems the truth is actually nearer £1100 a shift, paid by those same directly employing constabularies to the Companies that can provide floaters, to fill in for those vacant shifts. (unfilled presumably because those directly employing constabularies won't offer a decent wage to attract replacement pilots!)
Surely it must be cheaper for the taxpayer for those constabularies to pay a decent wage in the first place and not run light on staff!!
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Bertie, perhaps you and I should polish up the old Hi-tech boots again.... I could do with an extra bob or two before Christmas.
Shy.. you know that would mean no unPC jokes!
My present "pax" also asked me to put the "remember the essentials" FS poster up on the wall. (the lady tennis player one, sans kecks, that the bobbies said had to go. )
You can also say "webbing"!
My present "pax" also asked me to put the "remember the essentials" FS poster up on the wall. (the lady tennis player one, sans kecks, that the bobbies said had to go. )
You can also say "webbing"!
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I don't do PC either! As long as it works both ways!
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Ah, yes - had the rose tinted specs on for a while there.... Mind you, I do miss the big breakfast on Sundays.
And the kennel maid....
And the kennel maid....
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Nice to know some things haven't changed. Woof woof!
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Apparently that tennis player is a bit of a chap underneath.. So to speak
Don't suppose anyone has the poster showing the young lady who has caught her nice red dress in some barbed wire anywhere
Don't suppose anyone has the poster showing the young lady who has caught her nice red dress in some barbed wire anywhere