Guimbal Cabri G2

[HeliHenri]

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with this G2 in a very discreet livery, there will be in Canada 7 G2 operating in less than one year !
News from HeliHub : HeliHub.com BC Helicopters to add second Guimbal Cabri G2

[nocarsgo]

Good to see more coming to North America.

Is everyone enjoying the power upgrade?

In other news the Android app, HeliBalance, now has the weight and balance profile for the Cabri added. Thanks Matt.

[HeliHenri]

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Hello noscargo,

according to the comments in the middle of these news, the power upgrade seems promising : https://www.verticalmag.com/press-re...2-gets-better/
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[helihub]

There's a good reason (which currently escapes me) why the drive shaft cover on a Cabri G2 needs to be all white. Except this one, it seems.....

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by helihub

There's a good reason (which currently escapes me) why the drive shaft cover on a Cabri G2 needs to be all white. Except this one, it seems.....

If I remember rightly it's to reflect UV light. The upper tailboom and inboard section of the horizontal stabilizers should be gloss white, there is a specific section for it in the G2 maintenance manual.

[CentralS]

Originally Posted by HeliHenri

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Hello noscargo,

according to the comments in the middle of these news, the power upgrade seems promising : https://www.verticalmag.com/press-re...2-gets-better/
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And according to the comments, the software is downloadable, what is false. You have to replace the memory card of the EPM.

C.S.

[CentralS]

Originally Posted by tbtstt

If I remember rightly it's to reflect UV light. The upper tailboom and inboard section of the horizontal stabilizers should be gloss white, there is a specific section for it in the G2 maintenance manual.

Not for UV light, for all the light and especially IR. If not, the exposed top is too hot and the differential dilatation of the tail is harmful.

C.S.

[Agile]

That is understandable, I would prefer the term differential expansion better, dilatation is better used in a context of a balloon or a blood vessel.

does that mean the tail will sag when you park it in the in the sun? how about other rotorcrafts?

[Freewheel]

I have read the thread on a fatal accident in the UK involving a Cabri. Is this terribly sad news the first fatality in a Cabri? I can't think of any others.

[n5296s]

does that mean the tail will sag when you park it in the in the sun? how about other rotorcrafts?

Yet another acronym to learn: LTR. Loss of Tailrotor Rigidity.

[Positive Gees]

2nd flight in cabri

2nd flight today in cabri. Last heli flight 10 yrs ago in an R22 sitting a CPL flight test so obviously extremely rusty to say the least. I'm about to pump through some hours to get back up to speed. Tending to lean towards the R22 again maybe just because it's what I'm use to but from a learner opinion I find it more responsive. With all the amazing features of the Cabri I didn't Gell with the sticky anti torque and the close to the ground characteristics. A Gem to fly straight and level but on recollection I can't remember being able to see the skids. Is that important ? Not sure. Awesome technology, dig the cockpit layout. Personally not my preference at this time. I'll post again after having been back in the R22. Keen to hear others thoughts.

[aa777888]

Originally Posted by Positive Gees

Keen to hear others thoughts.

See my post in this thread, #1149. Same sort of thing, me being someone with Robinson-only time getting a first couple of hours in the G2. My review was not exactly hard-hitting but I think in general agreement with your initial reactions to the G2.

I thought alphanumeric's follow up post was more frank and to the point, and in a much more direct way it also matched my initial impressions. Alas, his post appears to have been deleted, but a quote from it lives on in this thread in post #1150, which I'll repeat here:

The Cabri is ok, but

a) it's got no power. The R22 is much more powerful
b) the controls are much too stiff
c) it's very hard to keep it in balance/trim
d) the Fenestrom is a pain (much more so than bigger aircraft that use it). they should just have put a proper tail rotor on it

Not totally sure I agree with (c), but the rest of it certainly. Perhaps (a) is now somewhat mitigated by the recently revised power limits, but I have not flown a G2 since then and will be unlikely to ever fly one again unless they become insanely popular in the US (also unlikely).

I was describing it not too long ago to someone that I fly with here and said to him "Less power and performance than an R22, the fit and finish of a Mercedes, all at the cost of an R44".

I did very much enjoy pushovers and the auto-rotative performance of three blades, though. Nevertheless, from a pure utility standpoint, for the money you'll get a lot more done with an R44. Perhaps someday Robinson will build an R44 with a similar rotorhead.

[Positive Gees]

Thanks for the reference to your post. Its helpful to have discussion around specifics. After my stint I was unable to accurately put my finger on the reason why I wasn't gelling with the G2. All in all a fabulous aircraft and Your info has left me better prepared should i consider another go. Regarding the R22, it's good to see the debate take place. We are fortunate to have a very high time old..er !!! R22 instructor in our town who a few moons ago cut his teeth in the venison trade in new zealand finishing on sky cranes in Asia and Europe. He was instrumental in introducing the R22 to the venison industry and it is rumoured that Frank himself visited nz to witness this pilot slinging venison underneath his beloved 2seat trainer. Throughout my PPL / CPL training with him i do not recall any uncomfortable experiences or find him hovering over the controls in anticipation. Maybe my preference for the 22 is due to a positive training environment from a competent instructor. Interestingly. He now instructs in the G2 also, and loves it.

[olster]

The Cabri is in my very humble opinion the future of heli training in the civil world. After a ppl (h) in predominantly the r22 the nagging concern prevailed that in the wrong conditions the r22 could 'mast bump'. I am aware that if flown defensively the r22 is relatively safe but after my lst I came to the conclusion that the risk versus reward did not add up. I have flown the Cabri and it is a fine helicopter which although I know any flying machine is 'crashable' the Cabri for recreational flying just makes more sense.

[r22butters]

Originally Posted by olster

The Cabri is in my very humble opinion the future of heli training in the civil world. After a ppl (h) in predominantly the r22 the nagging concern prevailed that in the wrong conditions the r22 could 'mast bump'. I am aware that if flown defensively the r22 is relatively safe but after my lst I came to the conclusion that the risk versus reward did not add up. I have flown the Cabri and it is a fine helicopter which although I know any flying machine is 'crashable' the Cabri for recreational flying just makes more sense.

For fifteen years I have found the R22 to be perfect (and a lot of fun) for recreational flying! If one day they want me to start renting a Cabri instead, they're going to have to price it cheaper than the R22!

[Freewheel]

Originally Posted by hargreaves99

I hear two UK schools have dropped the Cabri from their fleet as "they keep breaking".

Interesting - an engineer I spoke with only last week told me the Cabri was the most boring aircraft he's ever dealt with because at every scheduled maintenance he completes the checks and finds nothing wrong......

He did comment that there's a few electrical niggles here and there, but fewer than he expected given that it is French (Outrageous accent and all...). Otherwise, he never puts a spanner on it.

[Vertical Freedom]

[HeliHenri]

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Hello VF

Nice pic of a very rare type in Australia !

Nothing changes downunder, your compatriots buy most of the new R22 and R44 Cadet but still no G2.

They have their reasons.
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[Flying Binghi]

Originally Posted by HeliHenri

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Hello VF

Nice pic of a very rare type in Australia !

Nothing changes downunder, your compatriots buy most of the new R22 and R44 Cadet but still no G2.

They have their reasons.
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Cost is the main reason. Them R22's are cheap crhap..

From my 2012 post #255: Not a bad bit of kit - yer can do somethin like a snap roll in them (well thats what it felt like to me) and stay in one piece...

Tad pricey to be chasing the moo's with though - and what robby trained bush mechanic is going to know what to do with all them plastic parts..





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